Mugfords statements.

[guest2181]

Yes thought as much, could it be classed as selective perception?

It's fair enough, why publish something which doesn't assist the cause.

[guest7363]

Oh no, I remember now Turner.

Ha Ha I got this one?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_(band)

[guest2181]

This one?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/law-obituaries/5309767/Edmund-Lawson-QC.html

Oh, I'm not sure now. 

[guest7363]

It's fair enough, why publish something which doesn't assist the cause.

Never going to happen somehow.

[guest2181]

Never going to happen somehow.

Mind, they shoot themselves in the foot enough as it is it seems. 

[guest7363]

Mind, they shoot themselves in the foot enough as it is it seems. 

And blame someone else for doing it?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shoot+yourself+in+the+foot&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB677GB678&oq=shoot+yourself+in+the+foot&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.10270j0j7&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=NL2-4nK8ItbbNM:

[guest2181]

And blame someone else for doing it?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shoot+yourself+in+the+foot&rlz=1C9BKJA_enGB677GB678&oq=shoot+yourself+in+the+foot&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.10270j0j7&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=NL2-4nK8ItbbNM:

Well, I think everyone is entitled to their own views, whether right or wrong.

[Adam]

Ok Adam, just find it strange how everyone's Court testimony is available for scrutiny yet Bamber's, the main man isn't?  Might try and get his book and put them up.

His interview transcripts are very interesting which are online.  He couldn't be that evasive when testifying. But did struggle a lot in court.

Some of the book has Bamber's testimony in transcript form. Such as the build up to when he says 'that is what you have to establish'.

[Adam]

Adam I can say with hand on heart if I knew my boyfriend intended to murder his parents,his sister and her two wee boys and I knew he was serious I would have done my best to stop it failing that I would have gone to the police and told them what he had told me I would not continue to stay with him and any love I had would have died a death.    Adam any self respecting woman would have done the same.  As far as Julie is concerned I don't think JB told her anything so she had nothing to tell EP.

She didn't think Bamber would do it.

Are there any other examples of a boyfriend telling his girlfriend he wanted to kill his mother, father, sister & 2 nephews, then actually doing it ?

[maggie]

She didn't think Bamber would do it.

Are there any other examples of a boyfriend telling his girlfriend he wanted to kill his mother, father, sister & 2 nephews, then actually doing it ?

There possibly have been similar examples in different parts of the world.

I'm with Susan, Lucy and others on this. I  think the 'normal' reaction of a 20ish intelligent young woman faced with a boyfriend, however gorgeous, who was as obsessed with killing his family as she claimed would be frightened for her safety. 

It's very difficult to believe she never repeated his threats to anyone until after the event.  She smoked cannabis and drank alcohol and no doubt talked to her friends about JB but never discussed this pArt of his behaviour with anyone? 

Her mother claimed to be close to Jeremy so by default she must have been close to her daughter.  The mother gave evidence as a witness that Jeremy didn't like his family but JM never told her mother the extent of his dislike? 

All a bit strange imo.

[Adam]

There possibly have been similar examples in different parts of the world.

I'm with Susan, Lucy and others on this. I  think the 'normal' reaction of a 20ish intelligent young woman faced with a boyfriend, however gorgeous, who was as obsessed with killing his family as she claimed would be frightened for her safety. 

It's very difficult to believe she never repeated his threats to anyone until after the event.  She smoked cannabis and drank alcohol and no doubt talked to her friends about JB but never discussed this pArt of his behaviour with anyone? 

Her mother claimed to be close to Jeremy so by default she must have been close to her daughter.  The mother gave evidence as a witness that Jeremy didn't like his family but JM never told her mother the extent of his dislike? 

All a bit strange imo.

Can you provide the links to the "similar examples in other parts of the world".

Anyway, Julie didn't think Bamber would do anything. She's said that often enough & is on video saying it.

Everyone needs to accept that's how she felt. Regardless if they beleive they would feel differently if in her situation as a teenager.

[Lucy522]

Can you provide the links to the "similar examples in other parts of the world".

Anyway, Julie didn't think Bamber would do anything. She's said that often enough & is on video saying it.

Everyone needs to accept that's how she felt. Regardless if they beleive they would feel differently if in her situation as a teenager.

There were no threats, do you really believe Julie would of stood in a house full of police and grieving relatives while he laughed and apparently said he should of been an actor? Don't you think it's strange that after Julie said this happened one of the police came forward and said he heard a laugh? Every girl would of told someone IF this were the case,

[Adam]

There were no threats, do you really believe Julie would of stood in a house full of police and grieving relatives while he laughed and apparently said he should of been an actor? Don't you think it's strange that after Julie said this happened one of the police came forward and said he heard a laugh? Every girl would of told someone IF this were the case,

No they wouldn't. You're trying to generalise every woman to suit you're conspiracy. Which is impossible.

Every young woman would have reacted differently after being whisked to WHF when receiving Bamber's third call in 8 hours.

[maggie]

Can you provide the links to the "similar examples in other parts of the world".

Anyway, Julie didn't think Bamber would do anything. She's said that often enough & is on video saying it.

Everyone needs to accept that's how she felt. Regardless if they beleive they would feel differently if in her situation as a teenager.

I cannot supply links to 'similar' examples because I said 'possibly' for that reason. I meant that as nothing in this world is new it no doubt has happened again somewhere at sometime.  Life is not the internet although much modern life is recorded on here.
With respect no one has to accept my arguments or anyone else's which are generally just personal or borrowed opinions.
I don't argue my point soley from a subjective point of view although we all use our own experiences and knowledge of human behaviour to form our own opinions. I argue my point from a common sense and reasoning point of view based on human behaviour.
You may be right Adam as I wasn't there but what JM said on video or wherever doesnt prove anything particularly to me as we know she had questionable morals. I.e.. lying, stealing .....

[Lucy522]

No they wouldn't. You're trying to generalise every woman to suit you're conspiracy. Which is impossible.

Every young woman would have reacted differently after being whisked to WHF when receiving Bamber's third call in 8 hours.

Julie wasn't a stupid woman, she wasn't a victim of domestic violence, she wasn't threatened, she wasn't abused, so yes you can generalize most women, how do you think a woman would react in that situation?? Even the apparent pre planning of it?