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[Jan]

But he made the most of any slight failing of Sheila as a mother. For example he invented a story that she had punched one of the boys in the face when they had been in the car together as a family. Colin doubts this incident ever happened. There were the documented incidents of Nicholas falling out of a black cab and Nicholas having an ear infection, which went untreated until his mother took him to the doctor at a teacher's behest, but the Westminster social workers had been aware of them and felt that Sheila was not at fault.

Actually there were remarks about burns and scalds to the boys as well .

[Steve_uk]

But everyone reacts differently and don't forget she was warned off raking recreational drugs as well because the two did not mix.

I wonder if she was ever under her own gp or just private? Seemed to me her parents wanted to keep her illness as quiet as possible. And I am not sure Colin really helped her , he did not treat her fantastically did he?

No but he was provoked and withstood far more than the average male would. Sheila was ill, she was immature, she judged men by the standard of her father, whom very few were likely to live up to. She regretted her treatment of him as the years passed, partly possibly through the twins' remarks about why mummy and daddy weren't together. I was reading a man's account of the birth of his twins today, and wondered whether Colin had read it too and what effect such articles might have on him even after all this time.

[Steve_uk]

Actually there were remarks about burns and scalds to the boys as well .

It was one scald singular, and again the social workers thought it was not deliberate or due to systematic neglect.

[maggie]

No but he was provoked and withstood far more than the average male would. Sheila was ill, she was immature, she judged men by the standard of her father, whom very few were likely to live up to. She regretted her treatment of him as the years passed, partly possibly through the twins' remarks about why mummy and daddy weren't together. I was reading a man's account of the birth of his twins today, and wondered whether Colin had read it too and what effect such articles might have on him even after all this time.

I think even Colin would think you let him off too lightly, Steve.  Colin has traveled a long way since his marriage to Sheila and I am full of admiration for his courage after the murders.  I accept that Sheila must have been very difficult to cope with, she was probably showing signs of her illness and he was selfish and immature, not a great mix. 

[Caroline]

Actually there were remarks about burns and scalds to the boys as well .

From who?

[Caroline]

Where does the conclusion come from that the injections are the cause?

She could have been just very depressed or worse ? I can't see tha Colin had come to a conclusion except that her mental health was affecting the children very badly .

Her doctor, who described her as 'over medicated'.

[Caroline]

I think she had postpartum psychosis if I recall Lookout's posts. That wouldn't help. I'm going off someone I knew with the illness who was often lying in bed, not because this person was lazy but because of the drugs injected to prevent the hearing of voices.

That's Lookout's opinion Steve, not a fact.

[Adam]

87. Thereafter Sheila Caffell received monthly injections of Haloperidol, a drug used to treat agitated states which had anti-psychotic and tranquillising properties. It also has sedative side effects at the levels prescribed.

148. Sheila Caffell, probably in a sedated state from her medication, was also shot in the bedroom.

[JackieD]

She's already made a video Jane, she posted a link to it a few weeks back. It was errrrrr 'interesting' 

Your opinion means nothing Caroline but you know that anyway

This was the message Simon McKay (previously a solicitor now a barrister) sent me after watching my video

Just watched your animation Jackie; very powerful. If JB's lawyers would like me to look at the PII issue (or anything else)


It was such a lovely message

[Jane]

Your opinion means nothing Caroline but you know that anyway

This was the message Simon McKay (previously a solicitor now a barrister) sent me after watching my video

Just watched your animation Jackie; very powerful. If JB's lawyers would like me to look at the PII issue (or anything else)


It was such a lovely message

Yes. Very kind.

[JackieD]

My video made Simon interested in the case

[Jane]

My video made Simon interested in the case

'Course it did

[Jan]

From who?

Scalds and burns to torso . Source statements from Michael Abel social worker .

[JackieD]

'Course it did

Are you saying it didn't???

[Jane]

Are you saying it didn't???

Are you suggesting that I'm saying it didn't?