Police V family

[Jan]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7004.msg328586.html#msg328586

Bamber was correct. Do you think he was correct when he told Liz Rimmington 'I'm the only one who knew Sheila was going back to the nuthouse' ?

That's weird because someone else said the other day that dr Craig hardly went near Jeremy , and anyway your post suggests dr Craig suggested it was child abuse After the bodies were discovered , that is not Jeremy telling the police. She was guilty of child abuse , is it?




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[Steve_uk]

That's weird because someone else said the other day that dr Craig hardly went near Jeremy , and anyway your post suggests dr Craig suggested it was child abuse After the bodies were discovered , that is not Jeremy telling the police. She was guilty of child abuse , is it?




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But he made the most of any slight failing of Sheila as a mother. For example he invented a story that she had punched one of the boys in the face when they had been in the car together as a family. Colin doubts this incident ever happened. There were the documented incidents of Nicholas falling out of a black cab and Nicholas having an ear infection, which went untreated until his mother took him to the doctor at a teacher's behest, but the Westminster social workers had been aware of them and felt that Sheila was not at fault.

[Jan]

But he made the most of any slight failing of Sheila as a mother. For example he invented a story that she had punched one of the boys in the face when they had been in the car together as a family. Colin doubts this incident ever happened. There were the documented incidents of Nicholas falling out of a black cab and Nicholas having an ear infection, which went untreated until his mother took him to the doctor at a teacher's behest, but the Westminster social workers had been aware of them and felt that Sheila was not at fault.

Well I think there probably some reason for Colin wanting the twins living with him and the school reporting they were worried . The letter he wrote to Neville was more of an indication than anything Jeremy said .

[Steve_uk]

Well I think there probably some reason for Colin wanting the twins living with him and the school reporting they were worried . The letter he wrote to Neville was more of an indication than anything Jeremy said .

Well it was the same conclusion the social workers reached, namely that because of Sheila's injections making her drowsy she couldn't get the children fed, dressed and ready for school, being guilty of neglect by default than any wilful intent. Colin doesn't criticize Sheila in the letter, but lambastes June.

[Jane]

Well I think there probably some reason for Colin wanting the twins living with him and the school reporting they were worried . The letter he wrote to Neville was more of an indication than anything Jeremy said .

Yes. Guilt for walking out on a new mother who wasn't coping was probably one of them. Colin, as his letter clearly outlines, clearly had no more liking for the Bambers -OK, mostly June, as a Christian- than she had for him, as an out of work? atheist/agnostic?

[susan]

Well it was the same conclusion the social workers reached, namely that because of Sheila's injections making her drowsy she couldn't get the children fed, dressed and ready for school, being guilty of neglect by default than any wilful intent. Colin doesn't criticize Sheila in the letter, but lambastes June.

Steve can you direct me please to where this information is documented I remember reading about it on the forum but not sure where I did read it.  I agree Colin criticized June and said Sheila did not want to go and stay and neither did the twins he never said one wrong about Jeremy they were quite close at one time.

[Adam]

Well it was the same conclusion the social workers reached, namely that because of Sheila's injections making her drowsy she couldn't get the children fed, dressed and ready for school, being guilty of neglect by default than any wilful intent. Colin doesn't criticize Sheila in the letter, but lambastes June.

I didn't know that.

[Steve_uk]

Steve can you direct me please to where this information is documented I remember reading about it on the forum but not sure where I did read it.  I agree Colin criticized June and said Sheila did not want to go and stay and neither did the twins he never said one wrong about Jeremy they were quite close at one time.

The part about the children put in day fostering to enable Sheila to look for work is in Chapter 25 of Blood Relations. Colin's letter is here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2762.0/nowap.html

[susan]

The part about the children put in day fostering to enable Sheila to look for work is in Chapter 25 of Blood Relations. Colin's letter is here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2762.0/nowap.html

Steve manythanks for that never read the letter before very sad indeed

[Jan]

Well it was the same conclusion the social workers reached, namely that because of Sheila's injections making her drowsy she couldn't get the children fed, dressed and ready for school, being guilty of neglect by default than any wilful intent. Colin doesn't criticize Sheila in the letter, but lambastes June.

Where does the conclusion come from that the injections are the cause?

She could have been just very depressed or worse ? I can't see tha Colin had come to a conclusion except that her mental health was affecting the children very badly .

[susan]

Where does the conclusion come from that the injections are the cause?

She could have been just very depressed or worse ? I can't see tha Colin had come to a conclusion except that her mental health was affecting the children very badly .

Jan I have been trying to figure that out too

[Steve_uk]

Where does the conclusion come from that the injections are the cause?

She could have been just very depressed or worse ? I can't see tha Colin had come to a conclusion except that her mental health was affecting the children very badly .

I think she had postpartum psychosis if I recall Lookout's posts. That wouldn't help. I'm going off someone I knew with the illness who was often lying in bed, not because this person was lazy but because of the drugs injected to prevent the hearing of voices.

[Jan]

I think she had postpartum psychosis if I recall Lookout's posts. That wouldn't help. I'm going off someone I knew with the illness who was often lying in bed, not because this person was lazy but because of the drugs injected to prevent the hearing of voices.

Before you all wonder I'm not going to divulge. I will just say, however, that it wasn't me.

But everyone reacts differently and don't forget she was warned off raking recreational drugs as well because the two did not mix.

I wonder if she was ever under her own gp or just private? Seemed to me her parents wanted to keep her illness as quiet as possible. And I am not sure Colin really helped her , he did not treat her fantastically did he?

[Jane]

I think she had postpartum psychosis if I recall Lookout's posts. That wouldn't help. I'm going off someone I knew with the illness who was often lying in bed, not because this person was lazy but because of the drugs injected to prevent the hearing of voices.

Before you all wonder I'm not going to divulge. I will just say, however, that it wasn't me.

I know Lookout will disagree, but there's nothing I can find which says that PP (after CHILDBIRTH)P lasts for 6 years. It normally, according to my information, lasts between 6-12 weeks. Although I knew nothing more about it than it was depression, a neighbour developed it during her labour -allegedly a very dangerous time because it takes a stronger hold?- and the baby subsequently spent much of his first year with me. I don't believe -I find it highly unlikely- that anyone is suffering an after childbirth illness when the child/children reach 6 years of age.

[Jane]

But everyone reacts differently and don't forget she was warned off raking recreational drugs as well because the two did not mix.

I wonder if she was ever under her own gp or just private? Seemed to me her parents wanted to keep her illness as quiet as possible. And I am not sure Colin really helped her , he did not treat her fantastically did he?

I think it was only the psych treatment she received privately, just as June had. I believe their local doctor was in Tiptree. Part of the reason the 'package' broke down may have been the transfer from Private to NHS care. The doctors who were responsible for her daily care were NHS. Colin seemed to be advocating psychoanalytic counselling -a talking therapy- I'd have agreed.