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[Jan]

She was in bed most of the time at Moreshead Mansions. When she had some responsibility for the twins at White House Farm I think it was too much for her. I'm prepared to accept Jeremy, Nevill and June didn't understand her illness, neither did Colin nor the doctors fully for that matter.

So why did Jeremy think that everybody would immediately accept she was capable of the murders ?

After all that was his plan ?

[Steve_uk]

So why did Jeremy think that everybody would immediately accept she was capable of the murders ?

After all that was his plan ?

The Boutflours and the Eatons never did accept it.
He presented everyone with a fait accompli. He told Julie it was the "perfect crime". He has some of you on this site duped, but that's because of the con man he is.

[Jane]

I know that was obviously the aim but we are all individuals with our own physiology.  There can never be absolute certainty that a drug like Haloperidol will have the same effect on every person. There is always a margin of error and exceptions to the rule and Sheila had not been taking it for very long, maybe not long enough to be sure of its effectiveness for her.  Therefore there has to be a possibility that the Haloperidol didn't control her psychosis efficiently.  Psychiatric side effect of Haloperidol... Common ... 1% to 10%  ... psychosis.  Hallucinations.
Or I agree an alternative reason may be that she was still been over medicated causing depression, drowsiness and lack of interest.

Maggie, I agree that there will always be SOME(one) who will have a bad reaction to a drug -we hear it on a daily basis- but those drugs which reach the market are tested within an inch of their lives before they're considered safe. The drugs companies will have allowed for variances/tolerances to fall a few degrees either side of a mean average. Those who react badly are likely to show their intolerance fairly soon. Sheila's only reaction appears to be not so much about intolerance, her symptoms were those of receiving too high a dose for her to function. There must be thousands of people who take Haloperidol -most I imagine, very successfully- but for those who react badly, it may STILL be a better alternative than NOT taking it.

[Jane]

She wanted to be famous so let's help her out, let's give her more exposure than she could ever dream off

She just couldn't go quietly could she

What makes think that you have the experience or expertise to assist that? Julie has managed her life very successfully -without your input- until now. I doubt she'll be requiring it in future. As for "she couldn't just go quietly could she", as it you who's shouting your mouth off -not a peep from Julie- surely the expression is more applicable to you.

[Jane]

Just to show I do consider both sides

Haldol (haloperidol): "I've been on Haldol for 5 years. I have schizophrenia. This is the only drug that has worked over the period of having this illness. I don't feel I will ever be symptom free there's no magic pill, but since being on this I've been able to manage things much better than before. Really great. I don't like the possibility of the involuntary muscle disease (can't remember what it's called) but I will take that risk to have this benefit."

     
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Haldol (haloperidol): "This was the worst experience I had in my life. I had hallucinations and my b/p was 206/126. It was given IM in the hospital and then at again at the treatment facility. I wrote a letter in my room in case they found me dead. I fought the nurse not to give me another one."

     
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Anonymous September 13, 2015

I suspect that if the majority of those taking Haloperidol had similar reactions to "Anonymous" it would have been withdrawn.

[Jane]

I hope she reads every single post I make

Her behaviour if she knew Jeremy was guilty was inexcusable

If she knows Jeremy is innocent I cannot think of any punishment bad enough expend spending 30 odd years in prison like Jeremy

You "hope she reads every single post I make"!!!!!!!!!!! Does your arrogance and overblown sense of you own importance in the scheme of things know NO bounds. Just how/where do you imagine you figure in her life? Do you REALLY believe you're so important and up there that Julie wakes up quaking with fear? You'd really like to believe it, wouldn't you? The curious thing is, you say "IF she knew/knows........" but even that's not enough for you to give her the benefit of doubt, is it? It seems you prefer to heap hatred and venom on her. THAT makes it sound personal.

[Adam]

So why did Jeremy think that everybody would immediately accept she was capable of the murders ?

After all that was his plan ?

Because Bamber told the police she was a 'nutter', 'looney', 'do lally', 'psychotic depressive', 'should be locked up', 'could use all the weapons at WHF', 'had committed child abuse' & had gone crazy & got the gun'.

He also volunteered to Bews that Sheila may have shot everyone. Bews saying 'that bumped things up a bit'.

[Jan]

Because Bamber told the police she was a 'nutter', 'looney', 'do lally', 'psychotic depressive', 'should be locked up', 'could use all the weapons at WHF', 'had committed child abuse' & had gone crazy & got the gun'.

He also volunteered to Bews that Sheila may have shot everyone. Bews saying 'that bumped things up a bit'.

source of Jeremy telling the officers she had committed child abuse ?

And although I dislike the slang descriptions he was correct was he not?

[Adam]

source of Jeremy telling the officers she had committed child abuse ?

And although I dislike the slang descriptions he was correct was he not?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7004.msg328586.html#msg328586

Bamber was correct. Do you think he was correct when he told Liz Rimmington 'I'm the only one who knew Sheila was going back to the nuthouse' ?

[Jane]

source of Jeremy telling the officers she had committed child abuse ?

And although I dislike the slang descriptions he was correct was he not?

By today's understanding of the word, he probably was, although abuse is a blanket term for many things, but I think the most she could have been accused of then was child neglect. I believe it's been implied that she allowed one of the twins to fall from a taxi but that may be apocryphal.

[Caroline]

So why did Jeremy think that everybody would immediately accept she was capable of the murders ?

After all that was his plan ?

Even today, mental health can be stigmatising - the fact that she has schizophrenia must have been a golden ticket (people also use it to bolster their argument here - even though she was taking medication), that along with his staging of the scene helped enormously.

[Caroline]

What makes think that you have the experience or expertise to assist that? Julie has managed her life very successfully -without your input- until now. I doubt she'll be requiring it in future. As for "she couldn't just go quietly could she", as it you who's shouting your mouth off -not a peep from Julie- surely the expression is more applicable to you.

She's already made a video Jane, she posted a link to it a few weeks back. It was errrrrr 'interesting' 

[Jane]

Even today, mental health can be stigmatising - the fact that she has schizophrenia must have been a golden ticket (people also use that argument here - even though she was taking medication), that along with his staging of the scene helped enormously.

I seem to recall that, when it first happened and papers were FULL of that she'd walked straight out of a mental hospital, the general feeling was "'Nuff said. Case solved" It was, as you say, a golden gift.

[Jane]

She's already made a video Jane, she posted a link to it a few weeks back. It was errrrrr 'interesting' 

Oh right So You're recommending it?

[susan]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7004.msg328586.html#msg328586

Bamber was correct. Do you think he was correct when he told Liz Rimmington 'I'm the only one who knew Sheila was going back to the nuthouse' ?

Adam most of what you and I post is just hearsay none of us have hard evidence Jeremy murdered his family lets forget the silencer and Julie's statement and all your forensic items we have nothing.