Thoughts on scenario of Sheila being the killer

[Lucy522]

You do need to look at Sheila's behaviours in the fortnight prior to her death. Of course, I can't say categorically, but it seems to me that she MAY have been going down hill from the time that Christine, her biological mother, returned to her own life. I certainly seems, from what her friends -and Colin- have said of her, that she was listless, disinterested and was no longer caring for herself. This COULD have been about her meds, despite being halved, over sedating her. It could equally well have been because she was sliding into depression. Over sedation would preclude an episode and depression would have robbed her of energy, physical and mental, both meaning she couldn't have committed suicide, let alone 4 murders first.

Morning Jane, I've just read one of Ann eatons witness statements, and one thing strikes me as odd, why was there a shotgun in the bedroom? She admits Neville would never of left it there as he was very cautious and there was no need for it to be upstairs, it had been made in half so someone had done that and then left it by the window, could Sheila have had this gun first and gone upstairs with it? Do we know if any DNA or fingerprints were taken to see who had handled the weapon? Any why on earth was it in the bedroom?

[Jane]

Morning Jane, I've just read one of Ann eatons witness statements, and one thing strikes me as odd, why was there a shotgun in the bedroom? She admits Neville would never of left it there as he was very cautious and there was no need for it to be upstairs, it had been made in half so someone had done that and then left it by the window, could Sheila have had this gun first and gone upstairs with it? Do we know if any DNA or fingerprints were taken to see who had handled the weapon? Any why on earth was it in the bedroom?

It has been suggested that Nevill always kept a gun under the bed. Obviously, I can't say if this is the case. WHO would have known? As for Ann saying what Nevill would/wouldn't have done? Well, clearly, they weren't close. Ann had no idea that Sheila was in hospital and the family had no idea of Sheila's illness. Visits seem to have been reserved for Boxing day and/or Easter. Remember, Ann was only June's niece. It's possible that Pam -her mother- may have seen more of June. I think much of what Ann has said of June and Nevill may simply have been her concept of how they were gleaned from the version of them she heard from her father, RWB.

[Adam]

It's good that two recent new scenarios of how Sheila did it have been submitted.  Which vary greatly from each other.

Buddy's scenario last week had Nevill ringing Bamber after receiving four rifle shots.

Lucy's yesterday has a fully fit Nevill amazingly losing a struggle with Sheila & sustaining injuries, while Sheila received none. The struggle abruptly ending & Nevill then ringing Bamber rather than waking June. Sheila going upstairs with the rifle unchallenged while everyone remained asleep.   

Unfortunately both scenarios are not credible and have had to be dismissed. Hopefully Susan's due scenario will be the one.

[Lucy522]

It has been suggested that Nevill always kept a gun under the bed. Obviously, I can't say if this is the case. WHO would have known? As for Ann saying what Nevill would/wouldn't have done? Well, clearly, they weren't close. Ann had no idea that Sheila was in hospital and the family had no idea of Sheila's illness. Visits seem to have been reserved for Boxing day and/or Easter. Remember, Ann was only June's niece. It's possible that Pam -her mother- may have seen more of June. I think much of what Ann has said of June and Nevill may simply have been her concept of how they were gleaned from the version of them she heard from her father, RWB.

I just can't see anyone keeping a shotgun under the bed with 2 little boys running around, and why was it out? Someone had handled it that night?,
Yes Ann appears to of not seen them much at all she said she saw Sheila that week and she appeared normal? I wonder why Ann felt the need to get so deeply involved? I'm wondering if it was more about securing assets? X

[Jane]

I just can't see anyone keeping a shotgun under the bed with 2 little boys running around, and why was it out? Someone had handled it that night?,
Yes Ann appears to of not seen them much at all she said she saw Sheila that week and she appeared normal? I wonder why Ann felt the need to get so deeply involved? I'm wondering if it was more about securing assets? X

Lucy, you don't say WHO'S bedroom the gun was said to be in. If it was the master bedroom, I'd argue that Nevill had a perfect right to keep his gun there if that was his habit. I can't see the boys being allowed free rein of it. Isn't it common practice for a gun to be broken when not in use?
Ann and Sheila had never been close. I suspect the hard working Ann saw Sheila as being a spoilt, light weight and frivolous airhead.................I also suspect she was jealous. I can't say what would have been Ann's version of Sheila appearing normal. I'm inclined to think Ann liked the feeling of importance that she got from being involved -it MAY have been new to her- as I don't see RWB as a man who'd throw out many compliments.

[Lucy522]

Lucy, you don't say WHO'S bedroom the gun was said to be in. If it was the master bedroom, I'd argue that Nevill had a perfect right to keep his gun there if that was his habit. I can't see the boys being allowed free rein of it. Isn't it common practice for a gun to be broken when not in use?
Ann and Sheila had never been close. I suspect the hard working Ann saw Sheila as being a spoilt, light weight and frivolous airhead.................I also suspect she was jealous. I can't say what would have been Ann's version of Sheila appearing normal. I'm inclined to think Ann liked the feeling of importance that she got from being involved -it MAY have been new to her- as I don't see RWB as a man who'd throw out many compliments.

It wasn't the main bedroom i don't think, it was a room at the side? I'm not 100% sure though, I suspect jealousy as well that's quite apparent but she didn't seem to have had much to do with them prior to this, I don't understand how she can say things weren't in their normal place at the farm when she very rarely visited?

[maggie]

You do a fine job Maggie. In between the disruptions there is some good chit chat about the case.

[Jane]

It wasn't the main bedroom i don't think, it was a room at the side? I'm not 100% sure though, I suspect jealousy as well that's quite apparent but she didn't seem to have had much to do with them prior to this, I don't understand how she can say things weren't in their normal place at the farm when she very rarely visited?

To say that "things weren't in there normal place" is to suppose she knew what WAS "their normal place" but we know she wasn't there frequently enough to know. Perhaps she spoke from memory? However, it doesn't explain how she knew what was in the bedrooms and what may or not have been normally kept there.

[Lucy522]

To say that "things weren't in there normal place" is to suppose she knew what WAS "their normal place" but we know she wasn't there frequently enough to know. Perhaps she spoke from memory? However, it doesn't explain how she knew what was in the bedrooms and what may or not have been normally kept there.

I know I find it really strange for her to make such a big thing about this gs on the windowsill being moved but she couldn't of known what was there,? Surely the housekeeper was more warranted to make those claims?

[Jane]

I know I find it really strange for her to make such a big thing about this gs on the windowsill being moved but she couldn't of known what was there,? Surely the housekeeper was more warranted to make those claims?

Ann, presumably, was speaking about how the house was AFTER the event. Naturally, things would have been moved. Chances are, by the time the housekeeper saw it, things may have been moved again. The house must have been in chaos. I really don't think ANYTHING could have been said to be 'normal'.

[Lucy522]

Ann, presumably, was speaking about how the house was AFTER the event. Naturally, things would have been moved. Chances are, by the time the housekeeper saw it, things may have been moved again. The house must have been in chaos. I really don't think ANYTHING could have been said to be 'normal'.

Just seems so strange, and this shotgun by the window is really bothering me, as it must of been moved that night.

[Jane]

Just seems so strange, and this shotgun by the window is really bothering me, as it must of been moved that night.

Lucy, police probably moved the gun so there's not likely to be anything untoward/suspicious about it leaning against the window.

[guest2181]

Just seems so strange, and this shotgun by the window is really bothering me, as it must of been moved that night.

Which statement was it in, her 70 pager COLP statement or another one?

There was broken down parts of a shotgun in the upstairs office, I'm not sure I recall another one upstairs.
The shotgun under the bed claim seems to be a bit of a myth.

[Lucy522]

Lucy, police probably moved the gun so there's not likely to be anything untoward/suspicious about it leaning against the window.

The police said it was there already,

[Lucy522]

Which statement was it in, her 70 pager COLP statement or another one?

There was broken down parts of a shotgun in the upstairs office, I'm not sure I recall another one upstairs.
The shotgun under the bed claim seems to be a bit of a myth.

I will try and find it Hartley give me 10