Thoughts on scenario of Sheila being the killer

[Lucy522]

I've read it once a couple of years ago but I'm just refreshing my memory about someone who really knew her and the family,her husband. It's an eye-opener really which I'm sure you'll appreciate.

Can you message me lookout when you know x

[guest7363]

Maybe, or maybe it struck something else? Was there any photos of his head sounds? To break a rifle stock like that I imagine his head would literally of cracked like an egg and caved in?

It was severe fracture to the skull possibly causing bruising to the eyes as well?

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[Lucy522]

Lucy, I felt highly emotional when I read it. It must have been a time when I thought Jeremy was guilty because I wrote to Colin. You need to hold the thought that Colin was probably writing it as a cathartic exercise, but there's no doubting that he adored the boys.

It's to horrendous to comprehend isn't it Jane x

[Adam]

I would be panicking!! The only thing that bothers me is Neville didn't say call the police, perhaps he thought between him and Jeremy things could be bought back under control? He knew Jeremy could be there reasonably quickly BUT why did Jeremy not go to the farm ahead of the police?

There are unfortunately 40 reasons why Nevill would not call Bamber. Already posted.

Even the judge called Nevill's call 'mysterious'. Which according to the Oxford dictionary means 'difficult or impossible to understand or explain'. As you know, the source is Wilkes's book.

[Jane]

It's to horrendous to comprehend isn't it Jane x

Yes Lucy, and much as it may help US to say this or that should never have happened, ie their marriage, it did, and Colin had to deal with the consequences. It's a wonderful of how falling in love doesn't necessarily make everything right.

[David1819]

Dont forget he had fractures to the skull that wasn't associated with the gunshot wounds, rather difficult to chase upstairs with a fractured skull.  If he has ceased struggling he must have been downstairs and didn't move again?

Almost if not all the fractures were a result of the gunshots. This is what is known as "Intracranial Pressure Waves and Secondary Fractures of the Skull"

The production of secondary fractures of the skull due to intracranial pressure waves generated
by a bullet penetrating into the cranial cavity.
Secondary fractures are very common in contact wounds of the head. This is due to the
gas produced by discharge entering the cranial cavity, expanding, and contributing to
the stress placed on the bony chamber by the temporary cavity. The more gas produced, the
more that enters the skull and the more likely that the fractures will be produced.
An extreme example of this is provided by contact wounds from a centerfire rifle or shotgun.
These firearms cause explosive wounds of the head, with large fragments of bone and brain
typically being ejected from the head.
In distant wounds, gas plays no part in the production of fractures. These fractures
are produced by the pressure built up in the skull as a result of temporary cavity formation.
The size of this cavity is proportional to the amount of kinetic energy lost by the
bullet in its passage through the head. The greater the amount of kinetic energy lost, the
larger the cavity; the larger the cavity, the greater the pressure produced on the walls
of the cranial chamber and the more likely a fracture is to occur. Thus, secondary skull
fractures are rare with wounds inflicted by a low-energy .22 Short cartridge, but are
the rule with wounds from a centerfire rifle. With the .22 Short cartridge, fractures are
usually limited to the orbital plates. Although secondary skull fractures are uncommon
with .22 Short ammunition (even in contact wounds), .22 Long Rifle cartridges usually
produce secondary fractures in contact wounds and not uncommonly in distant wounds.
The fact that the fractures in a skull are due to temporary cavity formation was demonstrated
by a series of experiments with skulls.28 When the skulls were empty, the bullets
drilled neat entrances and exits without any fractures. When the skulls were filled with
gelatin to simulate the brain, massive secondary skull fractures were produced.

There are however lacerations on Nevills face and head. Almost certainly caused by the rifle stock.

[Adam]

I would be panicking!! The only thing that bothers me is Neville didn't say call the police, perhaps he thought between him and Jeremy things could be bought back under control? He knew Jeremy could be there reasonably quickly BUT why did Jeremy not go to the farm ahead of the police?

Well Nevill couldn't say much in 11 words.

Bamber did eventually call the 5th furthest away police station. After calling Julie. Then told the police Nevill liked to keep things private ? !

[Lucy522]

Almost if not all the fractures were a result of the gunshots. This is what is known as "Intracranial Pressure Waves and Secondary Fractures of the Skull"

The production of secondary fractures of the skull due to intracranial pressure waves generated
by a bullet penetrating into the cranial cavity.
Secondary fractures are very common in contact wounds of the head. This is due to the
gas produced by discharge entering the cranial cavity, expanding, and contributing to
the stress placed on the bony chamber by the temporary cavity. The more gas produced, the
more that enters the skull and the more likely that the fractures will be produced.
An extreme example of this is provided by contact wounds from a centerfire rifle or shotgun.
These firearms cause explosive wounds of the head, with large fragments of bone and brain
typically being ejected from the head.
In distant wounds, gas plays no part in the production of fractures. These fractures
are produced by the pressure built up in the skull as a result of temporary cavity formation.
The size of this cavity is proportional to the amount of kinetic energy lost by the
bullet in its passage through the head. The greater the amount of kinetic energy lost, the
larger the cavity; the larger the cavity, the greater the pressure produced on the walls
of the cranial chamber and the more likely a fracture is to occur. Thus, secondary skull
fractures are rare with wounds inflicted by a low-energy .22 Short cartridge, but are
the rule with wounds from a centerfire rifle. With the .22 Short cartridge, fractures are
usually limited to the orbital plates. Although secondary skull fractures are uncommon
with .22 Short ammunition (even in contact wounds), .22 Long Rifle cartridges usually
produce secondary fractures in contact wounds and not uncommonly in distant wounds.
The fact that the fractures in a skull are due to temporary cavity formation was demonstrated
by a series of experiments with skulls.28 When the skulls were empty, the bullets
drilled neat entrances and exits without any fractures. When the skulls were filled with
gelatin to simulate the brain, massive secondary skull fractures were produced.

There are however lacerations on Nevills face and head. Almost certainly caused by the rifle stock.

Lacerations I can understand, but the force needed to break a rifle stock on someone's head would have to be tremendous, why was it in the hallway,? Was it being swung wildly and hit the floor? If you were hit that hard as to break the stock I'm sure you'd be rendered temporarily unconscious at least?. Maybe that's how Sheila got upstairs without the gun being taken?

[Adam]

I am dealing with a user that is posting contradictory and dishonest claims. Even worse, that user knows what they are posting now are complete falsehoods. What else can I do but laugh? 

It's no secret Caroline & Jane J changed stance after I joined the forum. Just as you changed stance after you're hush hush 'forensic evidence breakthrough'.

[guest2181]

Lacerations I can understand, but the force needed to break a rifle stock on someone's head would have to be tremendous, why was it in the hallway,? Was it being swung wildly and hit the floor? If you were hit that hard as to break the stock I'm sure you'd be rendered temporarily unconscious at least?. Maybe that's how Sheila got upstairs without the gun being taken?

What was in the hallway?

[Adam]

Lacerations I can understand, but the force needed to break a rifle stock on someone's head would have to be tremendous, why was it in the hallway,? Was it being swung wildly and hit the floor? If you were hit that hard as to break the stock I'm sure you'd be rendered temporarily unconscious at least?. Maybe that's how Sheila got upstairs without the gun being taken?

Have you seen the report of Nevill's injuries ?  Horrible.

[Lucy522]

What was in the hallway?

Sorry Hartley where was it I thought it was the hallway for some reason?

[Lucy522]

Have you seen the report of Nevill's injuries ?  Horrible.

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I haven't come across post mortem reports could you link me If possible please Adam?

[guest2181]

Sorry Hartley where was it I thought it was the hallway for some reason?

Are you referring to the piece of broken stock?

If so, I thought it was found near the Aga. It may be me who is mistaken though. 

[guest2181]

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I haven't come across post mortem reports could you link me If possible please Adam?

See here Lucy:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,988.msg29919.html#msg29919