Easter Quiz time - who am i describing ?

[sherlock]

Now for something different - an Easter quiz !

Who am i describing ?

1) They effectively lost both their natural parents at a young age.

2) Neville and June Bamber was the closest they had to real parents.

3) Their father was an RAF pilot credited with killing at least 5 enemy.

4) They got sent off to boarding school at a very young age.

5) At that time they only got to stay at White House farm during the boarding school holidays.

6) Sheila was known to be jealous of them when they were growing up.

7) They had plenty of opportunity to commit the murders.

They also had plenty of motive - they stood to benefit massively financially from the murders.

9) They owned a .22 rifle and silencer that was normally kept at the farm.

10) They admit using that rifle at the farm not long before the murders.

11) They were known to be an award winning marksman.

12) Their statements and trial transcript show serious discrepancies in their account of events.

Does anyone think they have the answer yet or do you need more clues ?

[Steve_uk]

Now for something different - an Easter quiz !

Who am i describing ?

1) They effectively lost both their natural parents at a young age.

2) Neville and June Bamber was the closest they had to real parents.

3) Their father was an RAF pilot credited with killing at least 5 enemy.

4) They got sent off to boarding school at a very young age.

5) At that time they only got to stay at White House farm during the boarding school holidays.

6) Sheila was known to be jealous of them when they were growing up.

7) They had plenty of opportunity to commit the murders.

They also had plenty of motive - they stood to benefit massively financially from the murders.

9) They owned a .22 rifle and silencer that was normally kept at the farm.

10) They admit using that rifle at the farm not long before the murders.

11) They were known to be an award winning marksman.

12) Their statements and trial transcript show serious discrepancies in their account of events.

Does anyone think they have the answer yet or do you need more clues ?

Anthony and Jackie Pargeter.

[sherlock]

10 out of 10

In 1991 Jeremy wrote a letter basically accusing Anthony Pargeter of the murders.

Anthony could have

1) committed the murders personally.
2) planted the silencer
3) bribed, threatened or persuaded Julie Mugford to lie to the Police.

He ended up with a substantial part of the inheritance money.

Who can explain to me what it is that rules Anthony out from being a suspect ?

Because at the moment i am not aware of anything that does.

Remember if it was him then he must have forced Neville to phone Jeremy.

If he did this it was to get Jeremy to the farm to kill him too.

His plan A went wrong when Jeremy turned up with the Police ...

Plan B - frame Jeremy with the silencer and Julie and bank the money ...

[Steve_uk]

10 out of 10

In 1991 Jeremy wrote a letter basically accusing Anthony Pargeter of the murders.

Anthony could have

1) committed the murders personally.
2) planted the silencer
3) bribed, threatened or persuaded Julie Mugford to lie to the Police.

He ended up with a substantial part of the inheritance money.

Who can explain to me what it is that rules Anthony out from being a suspect ?

Because at the moment i am not aware of anything that does.

Remember if it was him then he must have forced Neville to phone Jeremy.

If he did this it was to get Jeremy to the farm to kill him too.

His plan A went wrong when Jeremy turned up with the Police ...

Plan B - frame Jeremy with the silencer and Julie and bank the money ...

Because Nevill said it was his daughter who had gone berserk with a gun, not Jackie or Anthony. Therefore Jeremy's version is a tissue of lies from start to finish.

[Caroline]

10 out of 10

In 1991 Jeremy wrote a letter basically accusing Anthony Pargeter of the murders.

Anthony could have

1) committed the murders personally.
2) planted the silencer
3) bribed, threatened or persuaded Julie Mugford to lie to the Police.

He ended up with a substantial part of the inheritance money.

Who can explain to me what it is that rules Anthony out from being a suspect ?

Because at the moment i am not aware of anything that does.

Remember if it was him then he must have forced Neville to phone Jeremy.

If he did this it was to get Jeremy to the farm to kill him too.

His plan A went wrong when Jeremy turned up with the Police ...

Plan B - frame Jeremy with the silencer and Julie and bank the money ...

Why would he alert Jeremy? If he was at WHF when Jeremy arrived with the police, how did he get out without being seen and unlocking any doors or windows? It wasn't his house so if there was such a way in or out, he's unlikely to know but then he has to get passed the police. Why wouldn't he have just killed them all when they were all present? Nah - far fetched!

[lookout]

Whoever it was who murdered the family,it certainly wasn't Jeremy.

[sherlock]

Because Nevill said it was his daughter who had gone berserk with a gun, not Jackie or Anthony. Therefore Jeremy's version is a tissue of lies from start to finish.

It is very possible that Anthony threatened Neville at gun point to make the phone call.

He would have told Neville exactly what to say including the bit about Sheila.

This was a story designed to get Jeremy to the farmhouse alone and quickly.

As soon as Neville had said it Anthony cut off the phone ...

Jeremy reacted in a way that Anthony had not predicted and called the Police.


Why is the above not perfectly possible ?

[Steve_uk]

It is very possible that Anthony threatened Neville at gun point to make the phone call.

He would have told Neville exactly what to say including the bit about Sheila.

This was a story designed to get Jeremy to the farmhouse alone and quickly.

As soon as Neville had said it Anthony cut off the phone ...

Jeremy reacted in a way that Anthony had not predicted and called the Police.


Why is the above not perfectly possible ?

Because Nevill would have rushed Anthony the same way he tried to with Jeremy.

It says Jackie may have passed away. That's very sad.  http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/jackie-pargeter

[lookout]

It's not impossible at all when you consider that prints of an " unknown male " had been traced on the rifle which obviously weren't Jeremy's or they'd have said.
 

[sherlock]

Why would he alert Jeremy? If he was at WHF when Jeremy arrived with the police, how did he get out without being seen and unlocking any doors or windows? It wasn't his house so if there was such a way in or out, he's unlikely to know but then he has to get passed the police. Why wouldn't he have just killed them all when they were all present? Nah - far fetched!

He alerted Jeremy to get him to the farm - he needed to kill him too - or no money for Anthony ...

Anthony knew where the spare key was kept and knew the farm as well as Jeremy did - Anthony grew up there ...

Anthony would have been as capable of entering and leaving the property as Jeremy was.

He might have been seen 3 times :

1) movement in the window
2) gun in the window (WPC Jeaves statement)
3) hunched up man seen leaving area by Police - Police statement at press conference ...

And he had no opportunity to kill them why they were all present - in the daytime there was too many other people potentially visiting or working at the farm - it had to be night time and it had to be that weekend while Sheila was visiting - it was his only opportunity ...

Why exactly is it far fetched ?

Just because you have a pre conceived notion of Anthony or have never considered this possibility before does not make it far fetched ...

Anthony losing his parents at an early age might have given him serious mental problems.

He liked shooting animals.

He maybe resented the adopted Jeremy and Sheila inheriting what he felt was his rightful inheritance ...

He ended up with a substatial part of the money ...

Why is it far fetched ?

On what logical basis ?

[Jane]

If Nevill sustained those facial injuries in the bedroom he'd have been incapable of making a phone call.

[Steve_uk]

He wouldn't have had to shoot Sheila twice either.

[Lucy522]

It is very possible that Anthony threatened Neville at gun point to make the phone call.

He would have told Neville exactly what to say including the bit about Sheila.

This was a story designed to get Jeremy to the farmhouse alone and quickly.

As soon as Neville had said it Anthony cut off the phone ...

Jeremy reacted in a way that Anthony had not predicted and called the Police.
 

There's some food for thought.....

Why is the above not perfectly possible ?

[sherlock]

Because Nevill would have rushed Anthony the same way he tried to with Jeremy.

It says Jackie may have passed away. That's very sad.  http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/jackie-pargeter

Think this scenario through :

Anthony arranged to meet Neville at the farm late at night ...

Neville let him in to talk ...

Anthony points the rifle at Neville during an argument and demands Neville gets Jeremy there now ...

Neville does not imagine that Anthony will shoot - he thinks it will be resolved through talking ...

At gun point Neville phones Jeremy and says about Sheila as Anthony instructs him too ...

Anthony ends the call by unplugging the phone ...

Neville still thinks the situation can be resolved by talking ....

Before Neville realises how serious it is Anthony shoots him ....

Neville had a struggle with someone ...

Why is it not perfectly possible that that was Anthony ?

Jeremy had no physical signs of having struggled with anyone ...

Why is it far fetched that Anthony did it ?

[Jane]

Think this scenario through :

Anthony arranged to meet Neville at the farm late at night ...

Neville let him in to talk ...

Anthony points the rifle at Neville during an argument and demands Neville gets Jeremy there now ...

Neville does not imagine that Anthony will shoot - he thinks it will be resolved through talking ...

At gun point Neville phones Jeremy and says about Sheila as Anthony instructs him too ...

Anthony ends the call by unplugging the phone ...

Neville still thinks the situation can be resolved by talking ....

Before Neville realises how serious it is Anthony shoots him ....

Neville had a struggle with someone ...

Why is it not perfectly possible that that was Anthony ?

Jeremy had no physical signs of having struggled with anyone ...

Why is it far fetched that Anthony did it ?

No one FOUND any marks on Jeremy because no one was looking for marks on Jeremy. Why is it so important to you that it was Anthony did it?