Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[lookout]

Fair enough Hartley - If i misunderstood then my apologies.

We'll be better able to judge who has been crying wolf over the past 32 years - when further case info comes to light.  Personally (and this is not a dig at anyone on here) - I think we will find in the end that the biggest 'wolf cryers' have been the relatives.  Which is why I implore people on here to hold them to account when they inevitably try and blame the police.

Roch,I've never had a good word to say about the relatives at all and I've no intention of ever doing so either. Even if I met them face to face----------not just because I'm behind a screen. They've treated Jeremy appallingly right from day one and it's unforgiveable to my mind. I think Jeremy has been very patient over the years as various files/paperwork has come to light,because I'd have been foaming at the mouth at not being able to " fight back " at them for all the dirty deeds that they'd done.

It'll be interesting to see just who will get the blame.

[JackiePreece]

Fair enough Hartley - If i misunderstood then my apologies.

We'll be better able to judge who has been crying wolf over the past 32 years - when further case info comes to light.  Personally (and this is not a dig at anyone on here) - I think we will find in the end that the biggest 'wolf cryers' have been the relatives.  Which is why I implore people on here to hold them to account when they inevitably try and blame the police.

Don't worry they will be held to account and face serious consequences

They know the truth

[lookout]

Don't worry they will be held to account and face serious consequences

They know the truth

Jackie,do you ever remember when the relatives mentioned " packing up and going to live in the Isle of Man ?" I don't know if this was allegedly said before,during,or after the trial. It was DB who'd said it.

Had they then realised the error of their ways,or because they're hard-nosed,they thought they'd see it through,providing Jeremy was out of the way ?

[Jane]

Jackie,do you ever remember when the relatives mentioned " packing up and going to live in the Isle of Man ?" I don't know if this was allegedly said before,during,or after the trial. It was DB who'd said it.

Had they then realised the error of their ways,or because they're hard-nosed,they thought they'd see it through,providing Jeremy was out of the way ?

They were so ready to take to the hills -or the Isle of Man- that they're still where they've always been with a thriving business. I MIGHT have understood your accusations of their alleged greed had they sold up, shared the money and lived the high life.

[Roch]

I think that if there was ever any such evidence then people would consider it and its implications accordingly.

However there is no such evidence available at this time (by your own admission) to forum members which they could use to substantiate such accusations. It is also at the 'very least', possible that no such evidence exists and your accusations are erroneous, via misjudgment or otherwise.

I would suggest that such accusation without evidence is inappropriate.

Indeed our forum guidelines (minimum baseline) includes the following:

The biggest living victim in all this is Jeremy Bamber.  Jeremy Bamber is a victim of the relatives - not the other way round.  So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[lookout]

They were so ready to take to the hills -or the Isle of Man- that they're still where they've always been with a thriving business. I MIGHT have understood your accusations of their alleged greed had they sold up, shared the money and lived the high life.

I'd have said that it had been pre-trial !  Yes,it was pure unadulterated greed and LIES that kept them going and saved them from the life that Jeremy's having,being isolated. The worm will turn.!

[gringo]

They were NOT withheld - here is the judge discussing Bonnett's log and he asking for it to be shown to the jury. I don't know why you keep ignoring this!

   It isn't in dispute that the message logs were withheld.
    Do none of you guilters understand the difference between the call logs and the message logs?
    The 14 page message log referring to two bodies upon entry and a further three upstairs was not discussed or presented to the court.
     It is worth adding that it wasn't available for either appeal and therefore has never been shown to any court let alone the original trial.
     To make clear, this is not about the call logs, but the message logs.
     

[Jane]

I'd have said that it had been pre-trial !  Yes,it was pure unadulterated greed and LIES that kept them going and saved them from the life that Jeremy's having,being isolated. The worm will turn.!

So you actually have no idea of when it was allegedly said. Like much said here, it could be apocryphal.

[lookout]

So you actually have no idea of when it was allegedly said. Like much said here, it could be apocryphal.

" Much said here " is right-----------from both sides,until everything eventually falls into place on the side of the righteous.

[guest2181]

The biggest living victim in all this is Jeremy Bamber.  Jeremy Bamber is a victim of the relatives - not the other way round.  So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

JB is a convicted multiple murder, that is simply a fact.

I'm sure NGB could provide you with an explanation of who he had in mind whilst referring to 'Living victims' in the 'Forum Rules'.

[JackiePreece]

Jackie,do you ever remember when the relatives mentioned " packing up and going to live in the Isle of Man ?" I don't know if this was allegedly said before,during,or after the trial. It was DB who'd said it.

Had they then realised the error of their ways,or because they're hard-nosed,they thought they'd see it through,providing Jeremy was out of the way ?

Thanks Lookout, maybe Hartley could verify the families plans to move or was it gossip

[Caroline]

   It isn't in dispute that the message logs were withheld.
    Do none of you guilters understand the difference between the call logs and the message logs?
    The 14 page message log referring to two bodies upon entry and a further three upstairs was not discussed or presented to the court.
     It is worth adding that it wasn't available for either appeal and therefore has never been shown to any court let alone the original trial.
     To make clear, this is not about the call logs, but the message logs.
   

According to various sources one of the telephone logs was also withheld, turns out it wasn't. There is a difference between 'withheld' and 'not used'.

[Caroline]

The biggest living victim in all this is Jeremy Bamber. Jeremy Bamber is a victim of the relatives - not the other way round.  So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I'd say that was Colin.

[JackiePreece]

The biggest living victim in all this is Jeremy Bamber.  Jeremy Bamber is a victim of the relatives - not the other way round.  So what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

He was such a stupid, stupid boy, a lamb to the slaughter

[guest2181]

   It isn't in dispute that the message logs were withheld.
    Do none of you guilters understand the difference between the call logs and the message logs?
    The 14 page message log referring to two bodies upon entry and a further three upstairs was not discussed or presented to the court.
     It is worth adding that it wasn't available for either appeal and therefore has never been shown to any court let alone the original trial.
     To make clear, this is not about the call logs, but the message logs.
   

You are attempting to call page 1 a call log and pages 2-14 a message log. Although page 2 of Wests log was actually on the reverse or page 1.

They are one and the same thing. A log completed by Bonnet and a log completed by West.

The logs were handed out in court and were mentioned in statements also handed out in court. It cannot be clearer.

Claims that they were withheld are simply false.