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Offline David1819

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No - it was Sheila.

She knows.

I'm giving you all the opportunity to reconsider your positions - and the case.

But there is no going back.  ;D

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She knows.

But there is no going back.  ;D

I won't be changing my mind to innocent - Bamber is guilty!
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"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Sheila did not remove any silencer, nor did she crawl downstairs on her hands and knees to conceal it in any so called gun cupboard! The correct sequence of events is that the senior officers removed the silencer during 'informatives', and that DS 'Stan' Jones returned to the farmhouse on the first morning of the investigation to collect the silencer and take it away. On the evening of 9August 1985, Jones and Jones returned the silencer to the farmhouse. The silencer was placed in the gun cupboard by 'Stan' Jones whilst 'Taff' Jones distracted Ann Eaton showing her around all the rooms inside the farmhouse telling her what had happened here and there! On the following day (10 August 1985) David Boutflour recovered the silencer from where Jones had placed it the previous evening!
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Offline mike tesko

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Sheila did not remove any silencer, nor did she crawl downstairs on her hands and knees to conceal it in any so called gun cupboard! The correct sequence of events is that the senior officers removed the silencer during 'informatives', and that DS 'Stan' Jones returned to the farmhouse on the first morning of the investigation to collect the silencer and take it away. On the evening of 9August 1985, Jones and Jones returned the silencer to the farmhouse. The silencer was placed in the gun cupboard by 'Stan' Jones whilst 'Taff' Jones distracted Ann Eaton showing her around all the rooms inside the farmhouse telling her what had happened here and there! On the following day (10 August 1985) David Boutflour recovered the silencer from where Jones had placed it the previous evening!

Refer to legend:-

(17) - that by around 9am PS Adams visited the main bedroom scene and saw Sheila's body upon the bed, with no  weapon in her possession, and the bible elswhere on the bedroom floor. Adams and the vast majority of the other firearm officers (with the exception of PI Montgomery, and PS Woodcock who remained present at the farm) then left the scene! This coincided with a number of senior officers looking very closely at the bodies of the victims, including Sheila Caffell, and thus commencing 'informatives', whereby cops tried to fathom out the sequence of events leading up to the five deaths. These 'informatives' lasted in duration for about an hour (between 9 am and 10am), until SOCO (DI 'Ron' Cook, DS 'Neil' Davidson, DC 'David' Hammersley, DC Henderson, PC 'David' Bird, and one other) took control of the various crime scenes inside the kitchen, main bedroom and the children's bedroom! At various stages whilst 'informatives' were being carried out, other key police officers, including DCI 'Taff' Jones, DS 'Stan' Jones, DC 'Mick' Clark, and the Coroner's Officer, PC Wright, arrived at the scene!

(18) - during 'informatives' being conducted around and in the vicinity of the body of Sheila Caffell in the main bedroom, certain officers noted key factors including the fact that (a) her body was laid on top of the bed, (b) that Sheila only had one bullet wound to her throat, (c) that there was no rifle or other weapon present inside the bedroom where her body was located on the bed, (d) that she had sustained the only shot to her throat downstairs in the kitchen and had mistakenly been pronounced as being dead there after being shot by use of a police issue round fired from a police weapon (the shooting would be covered in an officers report into that shooting incident which happened downstairs earlier in the kitchen) (e) upon making her way from the kitchen downstairs from after 8.10am which coincided with real confirmation by armed officers completing a full search of the farmhouse, that two bodies had already been found and located downstairs by 7.37am, onward, and 'a further three bodies (only) had been found and located upstairs', Sheila's body had been relocated upstairs on top of the bed in a collapsed state (8.30am), and verified as being dead by the police surgeon, Dr Craig at 8.44am, with what appeared to be a bullet wound to her throat, thus altering the bodily distribution which originally had been confirmed as two bodies downstairs (7.37am), three bodies upstairs (8.10am), to one body downstairs and four bodies upstairs by 8.30am, (f) that PS Adams had been the Commander of the firearm operation at the scene between 5am and 8.15am, which coincided with the operation inside the farmhouse going pearshaped, as described, (g) at which point PI 'Ivor' Montgomery had assumed Commanders, he being trapped inside the kitchen at the time Sheila's body had gone AWOL

(19) - DCI 'Taff' Jones, DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clark, visited the main bedroom of the farmhouse whilst Sheila Caffells body was still laid on top of the bed, bearing only a single bullet entry wound to her throat! At this stage the body of June Bamber was also on top of the bed! Somebody had brought the rifle from its resting place against a first floor 'box room' window and placed in-between both bodies on top of the bed, as confirmed by DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC ' Mick's Clark who told Ann Eaton this when all were present inside Jeremy's cottage that same norning!

(20) - DC 'Mick' Clark, and DS 'Stan' Jones left the scene to go with Jeremy to his cottage from 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, to take his first witness statement (dated, 7 August 1985)

(21) - the bodies of Sheila Caffell and June Bamber! were then moved from on the bed, to the bedroom floor either side of the bed! At this stage Sheila Caffell had only been shot once, a shot which travelled horizontal in fashion across her throat, from left to right (to which the original badly fragmented bullet PV/20 referred). Once June Bambers body was lifted from the bed, cops took three photographs of Sheila's lone body still on the bed. The photographs only show one bullet hole in her throat at that stage, with no rifle on her body! No blood can be seen to be leaking from the corners of her mouth! There was no triangular bloodstain on the front upper right hand of her light blue nightie! There was no bloodied hand print present upon the front lower right of the same!

(22) - the anshuzt rifle brought from the first floor box room window was fitted with a Parker Hale silencer

(23) - the only rifle upstairs was brought from its location leaning against a first floor 'box room window', and placed in position on to Sheila's body at 9.13am for 'gauging purposes' during 'informatives'. This rifle (anshuzt) had not fired the first shot (the piece of the badly fragmented PV/20 bullet recovered from Sheila Caffells neck, during autopsy by Peter Venezis, pathologist) received in the kitchen, but 'this rifle' would in due course, inflict the fatal shot (PV/19, a whole bullet recovered from Sheila Caffells brain by Peter Venezis during the same autopsy) which ultimately killed her off instanteneously!

(24) - senior officers huddled around Sheila Caffells body now on the bedroom floor!

(25) - they were pondering whether it might be possible or not to present the single shot (at that time) as having been inflicted with use of the silencer fitted to the anshuzt rifle, rather than to admit that she had been shot and had been killed by use of a police weapon and one police round (the shooting incident in the kitchen event which later became subject of an 'Officers Report' into the shooting of Sheila Caffell after police entered the kitchen of the farmhouse)

(26) - the anshuzt rifle with silencer attached onto the end of its barrell was duly offered to Sheila Caffells body, police making sure that the fingers of her right hand could reach the trigger mechanism of the rifle! At this stage it became apparent that the barrel of the rifle with its silencer attached virtually eradicated any prospective of it being capable of use at the time the single shot (at that time) had been inflicted! One officer took it upon himself to try to squeeze the additional two inches required to make the rifle so configured into the gun which had fired the shot! He stretched Sheila's arm as far as it would extend whilst at the same time trying to manipulate the muzzle end of the silencer fitted to the guns barrel into position against the solitary bullet wound hole in Sheila Caffells neck! During this time an abrasion mark was created around the bullet entry hole on her throat!

(27) - whilst in the process of trying to make the anshuzt rifle with silencer fit into the gap (distance) between the trigger of the aforementioned weapon and the location of the single bullet wound hole in Sheila's throat, the trigger mechanism of the said rifle got activated and a shot was discharged higher up on Sheila's throat which sent the bullet (PV/19) up through her mouth and which lodged in her brain! As soon as this second wound was inflicted fresh blood started to pour from the corners of her mouth, from the newly inflicted wound, and her left nostril
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The exhibit reference 'SBJ/1' came into force on the morning of 7 August 1985 at the scene when 'Stan' Jones returned to the farmhouse to collect the silencer! At the same time Jones seized three other SBJ exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4! The silencer, therefore was in police possession (7 August 1985) prior to David Boutflour recovering 'it' from  the gun cupboard on 10 August 1985!

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(33) - once the second 'higher up on the throat shot got inflicted, police found themselves facing an additional dilemma. Now Sheila had two shots on her throat, one fired by a police weapon when cops stormed the kitchen, to which an 'Officers Report' refers (the shooting incident in the kitchen), a second shot which had inadvertently been fired via the anshuzt rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel! The anshuzt rifle with its silencer fitted could not possibly have been responsible for inflicting the first shot across the throat because the distance between the rifles trigger and the muzzle end of the silencer that was fitted to the guns barrel was too long! On the other hand, the anshuzt rifle with its silencer fitted had inflicted the second 'higher up on the throat' shot! Senior cops carrying out the informative considered recoil as being a possible solution to the problem cops now faced, but this was rejected because the same gun could not have fired both shots into Sheila's throat

(34) - Sheila's blood got into the silencer as a result of the silencer still being fitted to the barrel end of the anshuzt rifle at the time 'the second higher up on the throat shot got inflicted'

(35) - senior officers found themselves at a cross roads, they had a victim who had been shot twice by two different guns, which excluded the possibility of cops arguing that 'recoil'  might account for the two shots! They decided to remove the silencer, and proceed as though there had never been a silencer involved with the family owned anshuzt rifle, so they removed the silencer, and proceeded to stage Sheilas death using the anshuzt rifle minus it's silencer! DS 'Stan' Jones, would leave Jeremy's cottage later that same morning and retrieve the aforementioned silencer and give it to DCI 'Taff' Jones who kept it on his office desk at Witham Police Station and used it as a temporary paper weight!

(37) - after returning to the scene at just before dinner time, on that first morning, 'Stan' Jones recovered four exhibits in total, bearing exhibit marks, SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1 (the silencer) these four exhibits, including the silencer were logged in an Essex Police Major Incident Property Register bearing a Crime Reference No. SC/688/85...
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How could the SBJ/1, 2, 3, and 4 exhibits/items exist before David Boutflour recovered the silencer from the gun cupboard in the den on 10th August 1985, unless cops already had the silencer, that they placed it back to the scene on evening 9th August 1985, only for a relative (David Boutflour) to find it there on the following day?
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I won't be doing that.

Nobody has to. But I feel better for at least trying to make members aware. It's really just a heads up more than anything else.

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Just how would RWB be party to such information? The man thought Bamber wore a wetsuit for goodness sake.

Perhaps Justice also wonders the same.  I see RWB and the other relatives as desperately needing to be right about Jeremy.  When it came to evidence, the ends justified the means. Therefore:

Evidence that indicated Sheila was not what they wanted to hear or accept.  They would simply adapt their Jeremy theories around it or attempt to incorporate it.

Information about anomalies in the scene or gossip about what took place that morning, was potential leverage to harass police with -  to manipulate things more towards the direction they wanted.
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Either something went wrong in the farmhouse - TFG complications / informatives / economical with the truth / scene staged etc or  Robert Boutflour had something on Simpson.

By agreeing to investigate (frame) Jeremy - the police effectively bought time to control the evidence that Robert would have threatened to expose - if they didn't agree to.
Hi Roch, unless this becomes available or someone reveals all this it will be hard to prove.  Don't get me wrong I and I think Caroline Jane etc would like it to be a MOJ, but the information I have or what's available doesn't suggest it, the lack of evidence doesn't point to suicide/murder etc.  You of all people know we have been down this road before and the longer we have been on the forum the innuendo's have been exposed, you yourself Roch have been nearly in this non believer position, so if you are privileged to new and unmistakeable evidence fair dues and I take my hat of to you, but you cannot blame us for not believing at this stage until it becomes available.

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Hi Roch, unless this becomes available or someone reveals all this it will be hard to prove.  Don't get me wrong I and I think Caroline Jane etc would like it to be a MOJ, but the information I have or what's available doesn't suggest it, the lack of evidence doesn't point to suicide/murder etc.  You of all people know we have been down this road before and the longer we have been on the forum the innuendo's have been exposed, you yourself Roch have been nearly in this non believer position, so if you are privileged to new and unmistakeable evidence fair dues and I take my hat of to you, but you cannot blame us for not believing at this stage until it becomes available.

Guilters keep posting that this or that 'doesn't make Jeremy innocent'.  Likewise - it being difficult to prove something doesn't mean it didn't happen.  For me the proof is there already - because I know part of what has been covered up. Therefore for me, proof already exists that some kind of deal was struck between Boutflour and Simpson. It is essentially, the only logical explanation. Simpson had clear proof of Sheila's involvement in the killings. The officer he appointed to appease Boutflour was tasked with covering it up. 

I'm sorry if that's not what people want to read or consider.  It is a shameful truth nonetheless.

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Guilters keep posting that this or that 'doesn't make Jeremy innocent'.  Likewise - it being difficult to prove something doesn't mean it didn't happen.  For me the proof is there already - because I know part of what has been covered up. Therefore for me, proof already exists that some kind of deal was struck between Boutflour and Simpson. It is essentially, the only logical explanation. Simpson had clear proof of Sheila's involvement in the killings. The officer he appointed to appease Boutflour was tasked with covering it up. 

I'm sorry if that's not what people want to read or consider.  It is a shameful truth nonetheless.


Well, the jury were satisfied, Roch, and unless you were there, you only know what you've been told. Who knows what was the agenda of whoever imparted the information to you. It just seems very strange to me that, if all this suspicion is out there and available, it's been kept under wraps for so long.

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Perhaps Justice also wonders the same.  I see RWB and the other relatives as desperately needing to be right about Jeremy.  When it came to evidence, the ends justified the means. Therefore:

Evidence that indicated Sheila was not what they wanted to hear or accept.  They would simply adapt their Jeremy theories around it or attempt to incorporate it.

Information about anomalies in the scene or gossip about what took place that morning, was potential leverage to harass police with -  to manipulate things more towards the direction they wanted.

Gossip and information anomalies were enough to to make chief constable frame an innocent man for the murder of the family he just lost when he had hard evidence to set the relatives on their way? You're basically suggesting he was blackmailed - I doubt he's have stood for that, not when he had evidence to prove Sheila's guilt and if the family knew she was guilty, what they were asking would have found them in court - but as a defendant.
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Well, the jury were satisfied, Roch, and unless you were there, you only know what you've been told. Who knows what was the agenda of whoever imparted the information to you. It just seems very strange to me that, if all this suspicion is out there and available, it's been kept under wraps for so long.

That could relate to grounds restrictions and CCRC processes? Perhaps the system is set up to constrict over time, with regard to what can be classed as a 'new ground' . I'm not sure. But people are really not getting what I am saying.  There would have been no trial and no jury to reach a verdict, if this evidence had been disclosed at the outset of Jeremy being charged.

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Gossip and information anomalies were enough to to make chief constable frame an innocent man for the murder of the family he just lost when he had hard evidence to set the relatives on their way? You're basically suggesting he was blackmailed - I doubt he's have stood for that, not when he had evidence to prove Sheila's guilt and if the family knew she was guilty, what they were asking would have found them in court - but as a defendant.

Depends upon what took place in the farmhouse and how true EP's official line was at the outset.