Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[susan]

Hello Maggie thanks for your explanation and I am sure you are right as I know nothing about these drugs and I know you do.  It is quite obvious EP seem to take no notice of all this as I have read little or nothing about it but I do think the police work was somewhat shoddy.  Maggie are you ex SAS hehehe X

[susan]

Hartley thank you so much for the link I really found the statement interesting and proves I need to do some more serious reading

[Caroline]

   This scenario makes no sense as soon as you think it through, Justice.
     First of all, the logs which mention two bodies downstairs, one male one female etc. were withheld for many years only coming to light after the second appeal, I believe. That there was an active attempt to conceal any evidence which might suggest that the crime scene as presented by EP is not necessarily the same as the one found by EP is self evident.
     More importantly however is the faulty logic behind your reasoning.
     Your suggestion that it would have been easier to stage Sheila's body in the kitchen after she was killed in the bedroom is preposterous. Regardless of your stance on what really did happen, the idea that EP would further contaminate the crime scene by carrying the now deceased body of Sheila back to the kitchen because in the midst of the chaos someone has realised that it has been mentioned on logs that two bodies were found on entry is frankly just silly.
     Faced with the dilemma that is alleged, I think that the easiest way to cover up the real facts would be not to move the body back downstairs but instead to hide the logs.
     Coincidentally, I'm sure, the logs were withheld/concealed for years, only eventually coming to light due to an error on EP's part.

What logs were withheld?

[guest1199]

Sorry if this has been covered previously, I don't have time to read all the posts; however if people are going to argue that it would be "ludicruous" to suggest that Sheila managed to get upstairs from the first shot, then "ludicrous" also equally has to apply to June and Neville who both were able to get up and move about after being shot in their beds. 

June managed to get up and put up at least some token resistance with the presumable final shot between her eyes indicating that the killer was having some difficulty despatching her for good, even after the additional six shots she had received previously.

For those that argue that Nevill was shot in the mouth upstairs, it would have to be concluded that even after receiving such a debilitating wound he still managed to stay on his feet and put up one helluva fight in the kitchen before succumbing to further shots. 

So the point I'm trying to make here is that if a single shot is so debilitating for Sheila, then by the same token, both Nevill and June would not have been able to get out of their beds to defend themselves, which they apparently tried to do with equally debilitating wounds.

Hoots!

[guest7363]

What logs were withheld?

I asked the same Caroline

[Caroline]

Sorry if this has been covered previously, I don't have time to read all the posts; however if people are going to argue that it would be "ludicruous" to suggest that Sheila managed to get upstairs from the first shot, then "ludicrous" also equally has to apply to June and Neville who both were able to get up and move about after being shot in their beds. 

June managed to get up and put up at least some token resistance with the presumable final shot between her eyes indicating that the killer was having some difficulty despatching her for good, even after the additional six shots she had received previously.

For those that argue that Nevill was shot in the mouth upstairs, it would have to be concluded that even after receiving such a debilitating wound he still managed to stay on his feet and put up one helluva fight in the kitchen before succumbing to further shots. 

So the point I'm trying to make here is that if a single shot is so debilitating for Sheila, then by the same token, both Nevill and June would not have been able to get out of their beds to defend themselves, which they apparently tried to do with equally debilitating wounds.

Hoots!

Being shot in the legs, arms and jaw aren't going to be fatal or stop you from moving around, Sheila was shot in the neck, the bullet damaged both her jugular and fractured vertebrae.

[Jane]

Sorry if this has been covered previously, I don't have time to read all the posts; however if people are going to argue that it would be "ludicruous" to suggest that Sheila managed to get upstairs from the first shot, then "ludicrous" also equally has to apply to June and Neville who both were able to get up and move about after being shot in their beds. 

June managed to get up and put up at least some token resistance with the presumable final shot between her eyes indicating that the killer was having some difficulty despatching her for good, even after the additional six shots she had received previously.

For those that argue that Nevill was shot in the mouth upstairs, it would have to be concluded that even after receiving such a debilitating wound he still managed to stay on his feet and put up one helluva fight in the kitchen before succumbing to further shots. 

So the point I'm trying to make here is that if a single shot is so debilitating for Sheila, then by the same token, both Nevill and June would not have been able to get out of their beds to defend themselves, which they apparently tried to do with equally debilitating wounds.

Hoots!

Before you dismiss "ludicrous" as a description of Sheila getting herself downstairs, probably having to either get on her hands and knees or at least bend/crouch to put the silencer at the back of the cupboard, then make her way back upstairs, perhaps you should give greater thought to the injury -the MORTAL injury- she'd sustained. Imagine what the pain would have been, from those two shattered vertebrae, jarring on each tread. Imagine the pain she'd have endured by the strain of having to bend her neck to hide the silencer. All that pain compounded by getting herself back upstairs. Incidentally, how long do you imagine this journey would have taken? Nevill's injuries, at that stage, although painful, weren't life threatening. June only had to drag one foot in front of the other on a flat surface. No distance at all compared with what you're suggesting Sheila covered.

[guest1199]

Being shot in the legs, arms and jaw aren't going to be fatal or stop you from moving around, Sheila was shot in the neck, the bullet damaged both her jugular and fractured vertebrae.

So, let me get this straight, your saying. "the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body" quoted by Maggie I think, wouldn't have applied to June's neck wound, head wound above her ear, the wounds on her upper and lower part of her chest, all conceivably when she still lay in bed, as well as Nevill's mouth wound which also could have been received in bed amongst other wounds?

Hoots!

[Jane]

So, let me get this straight, your saying. "the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body" quoted by Maggie I think, wouldn't have applied to June's neck wound, head wound above her ear, the wounds on her upper and lower part of her chest, all conceivably when she still lay in bed, as well as Nevill's mouth wound which also could have been received in bed amongst other wounds?

Hoots!

Flights of stairs generally numbering 13 means they alone would have taken Sheila 26 EXCRUCIATINGLY painful steps to negotiate. That's without the bending involved and all the extra steps.

[Caroline]

So, let me get this straight, your saying. "the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body" quoted by Maggie I think, wouldn't have applied to June's neck wound, head wound above her ear, the wounds on her upper and lower part of her chest, all conceivably when she still lay in bed, as well as Nevill's mouth wound which also could have been received in bed amongst other wounds?

Hoots!

June's neck wound was through cervical musculature not through bone and it did not hit her jugular and other than the wound that killed her, it seems there was nothing that would have stopped her walking and there is evidence that she did. There is none to suggest that Sheila did - even the blood on her nightdress proved she didn't walk anywhere. Nevill being shot in the jaw, wouldn't stop him from walking but as there is no blood on his side of the bed, it's not clear where he was shot.

[guest1199]

Before you dismiss "ludicrous" as a description of Sheila getting herself downstairs, probably having to either get on her hands and knees or at least bend/crouch to put the silencer at the back of the cupboard, then make her way back upstairs, perhaps you should give greater thought to the injury -the MORTAL injury- she'd sustained. Imagine what the pain would have been, from those two shattered vertebrae, jarring on each tread. Imagine the pain she'd have endured by the strain of having to bend her neck to hide the silencer. All that pain compounded by getting herself back upstairs. Incidentally, how long do you imagine this journey would have taken? Nevill's injuries, at that stage, although painful, weren't life threatening. June only had to drag one foot in front of the other on a flat surface. No distance at all compared with what you're suggesting Sheila covered.

I'm not the one doing the suggesting, I'm merely trying to find out why "the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body" was significantly more debilitating for Sheila with one shot than Nevill or June specifically, who may have suffered the majority of her wounds in bed and suffered significantly more "impact and trauma" yet was able to get up and try to defend herself regardless of having wounds that may have proved equally fatal through blood loss, even if the final shot between the eyes had not been delivered. 

Hoots!

[lookout]

Whose blood was it on Neville's side of the bed ?

[Jane]

I'm not the one doing the suggesting, I'm merely trying to find out why "the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body" was significantly more debilitating for Sheila with one shot than Nevill or June specifically, who may have suffered the majority of her wounds in bed and suffered significantly more "impact and trauma" yet was able to get up and try to defend herself regardless of having wounds that may have proved equally fatal through blood loss, even if the final shot between the eyes had not been delivered. 

Hoots!

I imagine it's been explained rather clearly. Had June been treated prior to the head shot she may not have died. Unlike Sheila whose wound was mortal -fatal but not immediately so- and would undoubtedly have been exacerbated by the amount of steps, and the accompanying jarring which would have occurred.

[susan]

Whose blood was it on Neville's side of the bed ?

Hi lookout

I did not know there was any blood on Nevill's side of the bed and this has always been a mystery to me.  I thought I had read that some blood was on the floor outside Sheila's room.

[lookout]

Hi lookout

I did not know there was any blood on Nevill's side of the bed and this has always been a mystery to me.  I thought I had read that some blood was on the floor outside Sheila's room.

Hi Susan,yes there is blood on that side as I remember it being said that maybe Sheila had sat on the edge because at the back of her nightdress was a bloodstain which could well have mirrored where she'd sat. The pic is on the forum somewhere of both the bed and the nightdress.