Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[guest7363]

What was Sheila doing when she was layed on the kitchen floor, was she pretending to be dead, the police hadn't entered at this stage, she hadn't been shot because the police shot her twice when they entered?

[Jane]

If the police shot Sheila as suggested and staged her body, why didn't they stage her body in the kitchen?  Because they had made the mistake of identifying one dead female for a male etc in the kitchen, it would have been a lot easier to simply stage Sheila in the kitchen job done?  If as suggested police moved evidence about i.e. Bullet casing rifles, Sheila from off the bed etc anything else they wanted to cover up would have been easy

The problem for any release for Bamber, has to be the silencer issue, if Sheila's blood is inside the silencer Sheila could not have shot and killed herself and put the silencer back inside the cupboard.  So defence was, we have the relatives to blame for falsifying the silencer and people saying the silencer was never used, to now saying the silencer was used and it had Sheila's blood in it and police put the silencer in the cupboard. Bamber himself knows this never happened he was outside and informed at 8.15 am all his family had been found dead, so the police could not have killed and shot Sheila twice and staged her body, what would be the odds of Sheila getting shot down stairs with one rifle wrestling with police and getting shot in the throat, (what was she doing when the police looked through the window when they said one dead female, was she pretending to be dead, then jumped up and wrestled the police?) then the police shoot her in the throat, leave her for dead, she jumps up and runs upstairs lays on the bed, gets shot again with a different rifle and in a short time they decide there and then to say and stage a suicide.  It never happened, so if the silencer was used and Sheila's blood was in it, right DOWN to the fifth baffle plate, not just on that ONE baffle plate, possibly DOWN to the sixth and seventh baffle plate, with Sheila's blood inside (like Mike said) possibly a mixture of Nevilles and June's in as well (making it harder for anyone to plant all three in the silencer)  Whats the odds of the police accidentally shooting someone twice with two different rifles and covering it up and no one saying Zilch?

Not very well put but I'm no good with comprehension.

I understand exactly what you're saying, Justice. The silencer being found led me to one of the many  different mind changes I had. It was quite obvious that Sheila couldn't have 'incompletely' committed suicide with the silencer attached, then, realizing she hadn't done it, taken the silencer off, hidden it in the cupboard -DOWNSTAIRS- and walked back upstairs to finish what she started.

[Jane]

What was Sheila doing when she was layed on the kitchen floor, was she pretending to be dead, the police hadn't entered at this stage, she hadn't been shot because the police shot her twice when they entered?

So why would she be laying on the floor in the first place?

[guest7363]

So why would she be laying on the floor in the first place?

The theory doesn't hold up Jane, she hadn't been shot at this stage, according to some?

[maggie]

I understand exactly what you're saying, Justice. The silencer being found led me to one of the many  different mind changes I had. It was quite obvious that Sheila couldn't have 'incompletely' committed suicide with the silencer attached, then, realizing she hadn't done it, taken the silencer off, hidden it in the cupboard -DOWNSTAIRS- and walked back upstairs to finish what she started.

She most certainly could not have done.  Once Sheila had been blasted or had blasted herself in the neck once... imagine the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body ... her BP would have plummeted and any confused attempt to stand up or even lift her head up would have caused her to faint.  That's the way our bodies protect us to keep us alive, the blood rushes away from the peripheral and less important areas towards the life sustaining organs such as the liver, kidneys, heart, lungs to keep us alive therefore we do not have the means to function.  Imo it would have been pretty much impossible for Sheila to have been able to think clearly never mind to be able to function on any level.

[Jane]

The theory doesn't hold up Jane, she hadn't been shot at this stage, according to some?

It doesn't, Justice, but it seems to me that supporters make their point by creating little cameo's which work as if they're separate snapshots. When the whole picture is examined the cameo's fall apart.

[David1819]

If the police shot Sheila as suggested and staged her body, why didn't they stage her body in the kitchen?  Because they had made the mistake of identifying one dead female for a male etc in the kitchen, it would have been a lot easier to simply stage Sheila in the kitchen job done?

It would have been a lot easier to simply be honest and say they had to neutralise the threat. 

That's not the main reason why I don't believe this "theory". But it makes sense.

[Jane]

She most certainly could not have done.  Once Sheila had been blasted or had blasted herself in the neck once... imagine the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body ... her BP would have plummeted and any confused attempt to stand up or even lift her head up would have caused her to faint.  That's the way our bodies protect us to keep us alive, the blood rushes away from the peripheral and less important areas towards the life sustaining organs such as the liver, kidneys, heart, lungs to keep us alive therefore we do not have the means to function.  Imo it would have been pretty much impossible for Sheila to have been able to think clearly never mind to be able to function on any level.

Absolutely so, Maggie. To put forward the notion that she was functioning so well that she could descend and ascend the staircase with that injury is ludicrous beyond words.

[maggie]

Absolutely so, Maggie. To put forward the notion that she was functioning so well that she could descend and ascend the staircase with that injury is ludicrous beyond words.

It is impossible, although it is true that because of the body's reaction to severe trauma the injured person will normally not feel pain as such therefore it's common for someone in such circumstances to attempt to get up or try to do whatever they have their muddled mind set on but the physical reaction of the body makes this impossible.

I have always thought that Sheila was blasted in the neck to either kill her or to injure her enough to be able to then finish her off with the second shot.  I cannot imagine why anyone trying to kill themselves would have shot themselves at that angle in that area of the throat.  All alone in the house after preparing herself she had time to choose the best option for instant death, just doesn't make sense to me.

[Jane]

It is impossible, although it is true that because of the body's reaction to severe trauma the injured person will normally not feel pain as such therefore it's common for someone in such circumstances to attempt to get up or try to do whatever they have their muddled mind set on but the physical reaction of the body makes this impossible.

I have always thought that Sheila was blasted in the neck to either kill her or to injure her enough to be able to then finish her off with the second shot.  I cannot imagine why anyone trying to kill themselves would have shot themselves at that angle in that area of the throat.  All alone in the house after preparing herself she had time to choose the best option for instant death, just doesn't make sense to me.

Well, I guess we've all heard of the chicken which has had it's neck wrung or it's head removed but runs amok around the garden before it dies. However, It doesn't go down a staircase, bend its shattered cervical area to put a silencer in a cupboard and return up the flight of stairs before finally dying.

[guest7363]

She most certainly could not have done.  Once Sheila had been blasted or had blasted herself in the neck once... imagine the impact and subsequent  trauma that would have caused to her body ... her BP would have plummeted and any confused attempt to stand up or even lift her head up would have caused her to faint.  That's the way our bodies protect us to keep us alive, the blood rushes away from the peripheral and less important areas towards the life sustaining organs such as the liver, kidneys, heart, lungs to keep us alive therefore we do not have the means to function.  Imo it would have been pretty much impossible for Sheila to have been able to think clearly never mind to be able to function on any level.

Quite right Maggie, if she got Shot in the kitchen on entry she would have lost a lot of blood both external and internal, fractured her 4th vertebrae and yet she stays alive till 8.10am makes her way upstairs onto the bed with numerous police officers missing her move at all, without reading I think Manners had got the kitchen and hall covered?

[guest7363]

Why run upstairs after being shot by the police, she loved her dad so why not stop in the kitchen where he was, if anything she would have gone to the twins bedroom?

[mike tesko]

Professor Knight testified during the 1986 trial that Sheila could have moved around for as long as half an hour or so after receiving the first shot across the neck! I believe there to be some element of truth in his professional opinion, with the proviso that after Sheila became deeply unconscious immediately upon being shot in the kitchen! She eventually regained consciousness sufficiently to make her way upstairs to the main bedroom after 8.10am, and she collapsed on the bed! She wasn't therefore, moving around for the whole half an hour after she got shot the first time, how long would it take to get from the kitchen to the bedroom, less than a minute, a minute, a minute and a half, two minutes?

[mike tesko]

Professor Knight testified during the 1986 trial that Sheila could have moved around for as long as half an hour or so after receiving the first shot across the neck! I believe there to be some element of truth in his professional opinion, with the proviso that after Sheila became deeply unconscious immediately upon being shot in the kitchen! She eventually regained consciousness sufficiently to make her way upstairs to the main bedroom after 8.10am, and she collapsed on the bed! She wasn't therefore, moving around for the whole half an hour after she got shot the first time, how long would it take to get from the kitchen to the bedroom, less than a minute, a minute, a minute and a half, two minutes?

It is not known whether Sheila ran upstairs, or walked, or staggered...

[mike tesko]

The distance between the kitchen and the bed in the main bedroom was not an overly distance via the spiral staircase in the corner of the kitchen!