Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78558 times)

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Offline Roch

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There is no doubt that Sheila shot and killed the other four victims

Absolutely no doubt whatsoever.  Which is exactly why police correctly assessed the scene as being such.
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Absolutely no doubt whatsoever.  Which is exactly why police correctly assessed the scene as being such.

Only if you believe Bamber is innocent and in my mind, there is 'no doubt whatsoever' that he isn't.
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Jeremy was convicted of being the killer of the other four victims by default, just because the prosecution managed to fool the jury into accepting that Sheila had not killed herself! She didn't kill herself, she was shot by another person, once in the kitchen when she was conscious, and later on she was shot on the bedroom floor whilst appearing to be dead, but in truth she was only unconscious! The trial judge, Drake would tell the jury that in Sheila's case there were only two issues worthy of note, firstly that the killer was either Sheila herself, or Jeremy! He emphasised that there was no evidence of any third party involvement in Sheila's death! This was very misleading, but a matter not helped because cops and the CPS kept the contents of the key police radio message logs c!owe to their chests, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.45am and 8.10am, which places two bodies in the kitchen and only three bodies upstairs! They withheld the key information of the rifle at the first floor box room window as the TFG started to approach the farmhouse at 7.15am, and therefore they did not have to account for how and in what circumstances that rifle found its way onto Sheila's body! If there were only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am, then the TFG  could not have found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor in possession of the aforementioned rifle, with it impacting upon the ability for Jeremy to have been his sister's killer! He can't have been his sister's killer, there's no doubt whatsoever about it, he isn't his sister's killer! The trial judge, Drake, got it wrong by declaring that there was no evidence of a third party involvement in Sheila Caffells death! Because we now know that evidence capable of supporting a third party involvement in Sheila's death did exist but police and CPS suppressed it!
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 03:05:PM by mike tesko »
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Only if you believe Bamber is innocent and in my mind, there is 'no doubt whatsoever' that he isn't.

I can see where you're coming from - but there was physical evidence at the scene that clearly indicated Sheila Caffell had been the murderer (or killer due to diminished responsibility / mental incapacity - whatever the correct term would have been in 1985). 

Even if you remove all of the scenarios, claims, theories about Sheila still being alive concurrent with TFG operation (which of course if true, would be the number one reason why police knew Sheila was culpable), there was still physical evidence at the scene anyway. 

Sorry if this is not what you and others want to read or think about.  I cannot help that. 

Everything you or others have come to believe about this case, originally stems from lies which needed to be committed and evidence which needed to be concealed - otherwise - the case would have been thrown out of court on the first day - if it ever even reached such an advanced stage in proceedings.
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Imagine also, if the court had been told that the original piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) recovered from Sheila's neck had by 20th September 1985, been substituted and replaced by a whole test fired round fired in the anshuzt rifle post the first day of the police investigation, which enabled the prosecutions ballistic expert to conclude not surprisingly that it (the replacement PV/20) had been fired via the anshuzt rifle...
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 03:15:PM by mike tesko »
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I can see where you're coming from - but there was physical evidence at the scene that clearly indicated Sheila Caffell had been the murderer (or killer due to diminished responsibility / mental incapacity - whatever the correct term would have been in 1985). 

Even if you remove all of the scenarios, claims, theories about Sheila still being alive concurrent with TFG operation (which of course if true, would be the number one reason why police knew Sheila was culpable), there was still physical evidence at the scene anyway. 

Sorry if this is not what you and others want to read or think about.  I cannot help that. 

Everything you or others have come to believe about this case, originally stems from lies which needed to be committed and evidence which needed to be concealed - otherwise - the case would have been thrown out of court on the first day - if it ever even reached such an advanced stage in proceedings.
But there's no reason to conceal the evidence because that's the way the investigation was progressing, namely Sheila being the culprit. On this reasoning no need to conceal a call from Nevill either.

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But there's no reason to conceal the evidence because that's the way the investigation was progressing, namely Sheila being the culprit. On this reasoning no need to conceal a call from Nevill either.

The evidence I'm referring to would have been concealed under the stewardship of the detectives who pursued Jeremy. 

If during the first investigation, a phone call from Nevill was originally 'concealed' by Chelmsford / HQIR / DCI Jones etc - it may have related to the level of response and the lack of lives saved as a result. 

Supposition I admit.

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But there's no reason to conceal the evidence because that's the way the investigation was progressing, namely Sheila being the culprit. On this reasoning no need to conceal a call from Nevill either.

Absolutely not, Steve. Whatever supporters may say, police knew, categorically, because Jeremy had given them chapter and verse on it, from the alleged call from Nevill, what they were LIKELY to find. So they found a living Sheila who had obviously dispatched the rest of her family, but after some sort of altercation/accident she's shot. SO WHAT? They were within their rights. They were within their line of duty. They knew she was mentally unstable. Jeremy had told them. THE ALLEGED CALL FROM NEVILL HAD CONTAINED THE WORDS THAT SHEILA HAD GONE MAD! WHY were they trying to hide this call. It was testament to what they found. It corroborated what Jeremy said. It put a halt on the relatives accusations. There was no need -no REASON- to implicate Jeremy........................and unless someone can provide me with a comprehensive and plausible reason for them making themselves look like ejits by waiting a month before changing tack and implicating Jeremy, I have to believe he's guilty as charged.

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I can see where you're coming from - but there was physical evidence at the scene that clearly indicated Sheila Caffell had been the murderer (or killer due to diminished responsibility / mental incapacity - whatever the correct term would have been in 1985). 

Even if you remove all of the scenarios, claims, theories about Sheila still being alive concurrent with TFG operation (which of course if true, would be the number one reason why police knew Sheila was culpable), there was still physical evidence at the scene anyway. 

Sorry if this is not what you and others want to read or think about.  I cannot help that. 

Everything you or others have come to believe about this case, originally stems from lies which needed to be committed and evidence which needed to be concealed - otherwise - the case would have been thrown out of court on the first day - if it ever even reached such an advanced stage in proceedings.

What physical evidence ?
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What physical evidence ?

Evidence that will see you and all your troll pals elsewhere end up with egg over your faces.  In your case, we'll all be placing bets online as to which rock you will crawl under.   Come the day.

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Evidence that will see you and all your troll pals elsewhere end up with egg over your faces.  In your case, we'll all be placing bets online as to which rock you will crawl under.   Come the day.

So no physical evidence at the scene that "clearly indicated Sheila Caffell had been the murderer". 

Thought not. But reply 348 looked nice. Then again so do David's diagrams.
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So no physical at the scene that 'clearly indicated Sheila Caffell had been the murderer'.

Thought not. But it looked nice when you posted reply 348.

If I was you - I'd ask my handler to get me another posting.  This case is going to become embarrassing for you.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2017, 04:35:PM by Roch »

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Where do you get that impression, it was only on the fifth baffle?  He saw it Down to the fourth and fifth, there could also have been some as far as the sixth and seventh baffle not only Sheila's blood but also a possibility a mix of June and Neville?   Why is it not possible Bamber wiped the rifle, what makes you think the police would be that stupid as to wipe the murder weapon when it wouldn't have matter if any police finger prints were found on the rifle.  I do agree on one point Sheila was mistaken for Neville.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7638.0;attach=44761
Then why wasn't blood on the first three baffles? I see you say it is a POSSIBILITY of other blood.
WHY would Jeremy wipe the  rifle, he had already told the cops he handled the gun the night before.
Anyway according to the guilters he was wearing a wet suit and gloves,
It wasn't a matter of police fingerprints on the weapon, it was more to do with how many different police prints there were. It would show it was handled by multiple police.

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Then why wasn't blood on the first three baffles? I see you say it is a POSSIBILITY of other blood.
WHY would Jeremy wipe the  rifle, he had already told the cops he handled the gun the night before.
Anyway according to the guilters he was wearing a wet suit and gloves,
It wasn't a matter of police fingerprints on the weapon, it was more to do with how many different police prints there were. It would show it was handled by multiple police.
He said  he certainly saw it as FAR down as the fifth and there might have been some as far as the sixth and seventh.  Justice Drake asked because he heard it was as far as the fourth possibly the fifth, Fletcher reiterated it had traveled as far as the fifth, possibly sixth and seventh.  This doesn't mean it missed one two and three out like you are thinking.  Dont you think an expert would find it rather odd if blood had missed first four baffle plates and ended up on the fifth.

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What physical evidence ?

The gun laying on top of Shiela, all doors locked, jb outside, the bible
Etc etc