Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78560 times)

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For what its worth. The theory is Neville retreats holding the wounds just inflicted. This then puts the shoulder into a perfect location for the shot from above to be inflicted.

The shell casings eject forward and can travel up to six feet (apparently). Three of them bounce off the bedroom wall and onto the floor were found (as demonstrated). The one found on the stairs got passed the wall and onto the stairs were it was found.
The shots to Neville's Jaw and lip, the muzzle of the gun was within a few inches of the skin, the other two shots were fired close as well, the four to the head were fired  in the kitchen within a few inches, fired in quick succession. 

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The silencer should never have been used as evidence. It had been handled by too many people .
Strange that "Sheila's" blood was recovered from the baffle number five, but nothing on 1 2 3 4 6.
Two fingerprints found on rifle one Jeremy, expected one from Sheila, expected.
It is so obvious that the rifle had been wiped by the police, because of multiple handling by EP.
Sheila was not in the kitchen. Nevill was mistaken for a female.
Cops had it right the first time murder/suicide.
Where do you get that impression, it was only on the fifth baffle?  He saw it Down to the fourth and fifth, there could also have been some as far as the sixth and seventh baffle not only Sheila's blood but also a possibility a mix of June and Neville?   Why is it not possible Bamber wiped the rifle, what makes you think the police would be that stupid as to wipe the murder weapon when it wouldn't have matter if any police finger prints were found on the rifle.  I do agree on one point Sheila was mistaken for Neville.

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This begs the questions - (1) why did SOCO permit 'Stan' Jones to remove the silencer from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation (2) why did Jones and Jones return the said silencer to the farmhouse on evening of 9 August 1985 knowing it had been used on the rifle which shot and killed Sheila Caffell, and (3) the strong likelihood that it contained Sheila's blood inside it?

These events occurred as described because cops involved in the death of Sheila Caffell did not want it made known publickly that Sheila died as a result of her being shot by them, once downstairs by use of a police weapon whilst the anshuzt rifle with its silencer fitted resting against a first floor box room window, and shot a second time upstairs on the bedroom floor once the said weapon had been brought from its place against the box room window during 'informatives' to Sheila's body and it discharged a live round up into and through the void of her mouth until the bullet nestled in her brain! In the first instance Sheila got shot by an armed cop as that cop attempted to come around the opening edge of an internal kitchen back hallway door, whilst Sheila was under a truce of white flag, she having showed the rifle at the first floor box room window (7.15am) and made her way unarmed downstairs to the kitchen. In the second instance, she was shot and killed because of gross police negligence, cops choosing to perform duties known as 'informatives' with a gun which had not been made safe before it was taken from its location at the box room window and brought to her body in the main bedroom! If Sheila had really shot herself and committed suicide as cops had everyone believe, then why did cops have to bring the anshuzt rifle from its location at the first floor box room window and plant it in Sheila's possession on the bedroom floor? How did Sheila get shot twice and be deemed to have killed herself without any gun being with her body in the main bedroom until the anshuzt rifle was purposefully brought from the box room window to her body by the police themselves? She committed suicide by shooting herself twice without a gun even being present in the main bedroom? Of course she did, because cops said she had!
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Stop and think about that for a moment, Sheila's body dead on the bedroom floor, two bullet holes in her neck, without so much as a peashooter being present in the main bedroom - the closest gun to her body after it arrived in the main bedroom after 8.10am being the anshuzt rifle that from 7.15am had been resting against the first floor box room window!
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Stop and think about that for a moment, Sheila's body dead on the bedroom floor, two bullet holes in her neck, without so much as a peashooter being present in the main bedroom - the closest gun to her body after it arrived in the main bedroom after 8.10am being the anshuzt rifle that from 7.15am had been resting against the first floor box room window!

How on earth did that rifle end up with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor by the time PC 'David' Bird started to take the crime scene photographs which by then show the same weapon (minus it's silencer) on the body of Sheila Caffell?
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Somebody must have moved it from one part of the farmhouse (box room) to the other (upon Sheila's  body on the bedroom floor) after it was first spotted leaning against the first floor box room window by WPC Jeapes, and a PC Brown at around 7.15am!

If that person was Sheila then of course Jeremy Bamber cannot be responsible for shooting her dead with use of that gun in the main bedroom, or with staging her death scene there, or even making the claim that his sister had committed suicide?
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Somebody must have moved it from one part of the farmhouse (box room) to the other (upon Sheila's  body on the bedroom floor) after it was first spotted leaning against the first floor box room window by WPC Jeapes, and a PC Brown at around 7.15am!

If that person was Sheila then of course Jeremy Bamber cannot be responsible for shooting her dead with use of that gun in the main bedroom, or with staging her death scene there, or even making the claim that his sister had committed suicide?

It just doesn't make sense that according to the witness statement events of firearm officers who first set foot into the farmhouse at around 7.30am, with the anshuzt rifle already spotted at the first floor box room window (7.15am) before the TFG actually entered the farmhouse, that Sheila's body was already upstairs dead on the main bedroom floor sporting not one but two bullet wounds to her throat, and that Jeremy Bamber could be responsible for shooting his sister dead and staging her death scene to fool cops into accepting his sister had committed suicide after killing the others? How can that possibly be true, if the rifle used to shoot and kill Sheila was at a first floor box room window from 7.15am, onward? How did Jeremy manage somehow to get into the farmhouse after 7.15am and take the aforementioned rifle from its position at the box room window, and place it with his sister's body in order for him to be responsible for staging his sister's suicide on the main bedroom floor, when his sister's body wasn't even anywhere present upstairs until after 8.10am in any event?
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It just doesn't make sense that according to the witness statement events of firearm officers who first set foot into the farmhouse at around 7.30am, with the anshuzt rifle already spotted at the first floor box room window (7.15am) before the TFG actually entered the farmhouse, that Sheila's body was already upstairs dead on the main bedroom floor sporting not one but two bullet wounds to her throat, and that Jeremy Bamber could be responsible for shooting his sister dead and staging her death scene to fool cops into accepting his sister had committed suicide after killing the others? How can that possibly be true, if the rifle used to shoot and kill Sheila was at a first floor box room window from 7.15am, onward? How did Jeremy manage somehow to get into the farmhouse after 7.15am and take the aforementioned rifle from its position at the box room window, and place it with his sister's body in order for him to be responsible for staging his sister's suicide on the main bedroom floor, when his sister's body wasn't even anywhere present upstairs until after 8.10am in any event?

The claim that Jeremy and no-one else shot and killed his sister and that only Jeremy could have staged his sister's suicide on the main bedroom floor cannot be true, is not true!
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Jeremy didn't set his sister's death scene on the main bedroom floor with the intention of fooling cops into accepting that Sheila had committed suicide, the cops themselves sought to present her death as a suicide, when they know it wasn't! Not only this but cops knew that it could not be proven that the same gun had fired both shots into Sheila's throat by use of the anshuzt rifle with its silencer attached, because of the distance between the muzzle end of the silencer and the trigger of the anshuzt rifle being too long for that weapon to have fired the original shot across the throat. In other words, Sheila was definitely shot by somebody else, she did not self inflict the first of the two shots! The second shot which I shall refer to as the fatal shot was fired via the anshuzt rifle with the silencer attached, hence how Sheila's blood ended up being drawn into the silencer where it was detected much later! Now, based on other now known factors, the anshuzt rifle could not be with Sheila's body on the bedroom floor at the same time it was resting against the first floor box room window! It can't have been in two different rooms of the farmhouse at one and the same time! We know that by reliance on the contents of police radio message logs timed at 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.45am, and 8.10am, that even after the anshuzt rifle had first been seen at the first floor box room window (7.15am) that Sheila's body was not upstairs on the bedroom floor, otherwise there would have only been one body in the kitchen, and four bodies upstairs by 8.10am! The messages passed by DCI 'Terry' Gibbons, (7.35am), PS Bews, PC Myalls, and PS Saxby (7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am) leave no room for doubt that there were two bodies downstairs in the kitchen and only three bodies upstairs making five dead bodies in total by 8.10am. The circumstances which cover how that body count altered after 8.10am, is something the TFG and senior officers involved in the 'informatives' are reluctant to talk about!  But, a change in body count downstairs and upstairs did change after 8.10am! By 8.44am the police surgeon verified Sheila dead her body on the far side of the bed hidden from view by the bedroom door!  It is unlikely if not impossible for Sheila's body to have already been on the floor by that stage, because shortly after 9am with the commencement of 'informatives' by senior officers, both 'Stan' Jones, and 'Mick' Clarke visited the main bedroom and saw the bodies of Sheila and June laid on top of the bed with a rifle on the bed in-between both bodies. There was a bible on Sheila's body at this time! Jones and Clarke then left the scene to go with Jeremy to his cottage in nearby Goldhanger to take his witness statement! Senior officers did not arrange for the movement of the two bodies from a top the bed until Jones and Clarke had left the scene. Upon arriving at Jeremy's cottage, Jones and Clarke came into contact with Ann Eaton and they recounted where the bodies of the five relatives had been found - Neville in the kitchen, Sheila and June on the bed alongside one another, and the two child victims in their beds in another bedroom! Jones and Clarke told Ann Eaton that it looked like a case of four murders and a suicide, and that Sheila had then shot herself once with the rifle which was on the bed in-between Sheila and Junes bodies!

I doubt very much that by 8.44am when the police surgeon Dr Craig pronounced Sheila dead that her body  was already on the bedroom floor by that stage because it would mean that after Craig had verified Sheila's death if her body was on the floor by that stage, that cops moved the bodies of Sheila and June back onto the top of the bed soon after 8.44am, in time for Jones and Clarke to see both bodies on the bed, before they left the scene, and then cops would need to move the two bodies again from on top of the bed back onto the floor on either side of the bed in time for PC 'David' Bird to start Photographing Sheila's and Junes bodies back on the bedroom floor from 10am, onward...
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We know something had gone dramatically wrong with the firearm operation once DCI 'Terry' Gibbons, DCI 'George' Harris, and PI 'Ivor' Montgomery shuffled into the kitchen of the farmhouse at around 8.15am...
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We know something had gone dramatically wrong with the firearm operation once DCI 'Terry' Gibbons, DCI 'George' Harris, and PI 'Ivor' Montgomery shuffled into the kitchen of the farmhouse at around 8.15am...

The next 29 minutes of activity after they entered the kitchen covers the disappearence of Sheila's body from the kitchen, displaced upstairs to the bed in the main bedroom! Cops hadn't carried her body there, she made her own way there! This coincided with a shout at the scene by a senior officer requesting that the eavesdrop of the telephone line inside the farmhouse be cut off, and DCI 'George' Harris receiving a radio message for him to telephone ACC 'Peter' Simpson at his home and for Harris to use the landline phone in the kitchen to make that call! The information I have uncovered and gleaned from various sources is that by 8.30am, Sheila was relocated on top of the bed in the parents bedroom believed to be dead again (but was not dead)! The police surgeon, Dr Craig attending in the bedroom and pronouncing Sheila as dead by 8.44am, so we know by reference to all these matters that some stage between 8.10am and 8.44am, that Sheila was able to move around inside the farmhouse despite already having sustained one shot across the neck! What also becomes clear is that within three minutes if it having been confirmed by reference to timed radio log contents, that by 8.13am that DCI 'Terry' Gibbons and PS Bews both knew that two bodies had been found believed dead in the kitchen downstairs, and that the remaining three bodies had been found upstairs in the bedrooms! It is unlikely that the dramatic change in the body count involving bodies downstairs and upstairs altered and became resolved with a matter of three minutes (8.10am, to 8.13am)! 'Terry- Gibbons hadn't even entered the kitchen by that stage (8.13am) so he wouldn't have had any idea that Sheila's body had gone missing out from the kitchen to elsewhere inside the farmhouse! He wouldn't discover this until he physically set foot inside the kitchen with Harris and Montgomery (8.15am)...
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The shots to Neville's Jaw and lip, the muzzle of the gun was within a few inches of the skin, the other two shots were fired close as well, the four to the head were fired  in the kitchen within a few inches, fired in quick succession.

The ballistics expert on the case indicates that the two bullet cases on the landing/doorway (drh13 & 14) related to June, with the shooter standing in the doorway on their return to the room.




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The ballistics expert on the case indicates that the two bullet cases on the landing/doorway (drh13 & 14) related to June, with the shooter standing in the doorway on their return to the room.


Thanks for that Hartley

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The ballistics expert on the case indicates that the two bullet cases on the landing/doorway (drh13 & 14) related to June, with the shooter standing in the doorway on their return to the room.


four of the spent bullet cases were added to the main bedroom scenario on instruction of PI 'Bob' Miller (see his handwritten inserts schedule where the original DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4 exhibits were vacated so that four bullet cases could be introduced under the same exhibit references! Why would PI Miller be interested in adding four bullet cases into the main bedroom scenario)? He did this because police wanted to make out a false case that Neville Bamber had been shot four times whilst he was present in the main bedroom, before he went downstairs, and that being the case he would not have been able to speak on the phone to Jeremy or the police, thus undermining Jeremy's claim that he received a call from his dad...
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Bullet cases DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, were never found in the main bedroom, four other exhibits originally had these exhibit references which PI 'Bob' Miller vacated so that these extra four bullet cases could be introduced...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...