Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[guest7363]

If Jeremy Bamber is not the killer, how can it be said that his view on what took place surounding the death of the five members of his family, is any more accurate than my view?

Jeremy Bamber uses people until he thinks they are of n longer use to him!

I am one of his victims...

Well he was outside that morning you was not, so I would put his view more accurate.

[guest7363]

That's because he rang Bamber before he was shot four times.

The only plausible explanation for the trajectories is Neville being shot while coming up the stairs and retreating. What was he doing downstairs? making the phone call.

It was agreed that all the shots were close contact shots, most within a few inches, the furthest being 4' away?   The two facial shots wound have bled freely and was in an area that is rich in blood, his mouth would have filled quickly and he would have spat blood out all over the stairs and where ever Neville was,  and a  good deal of blood, this was agreed by the defence.

[guest7363]

How come, one minute supporters say Sheila didn't have to be a good shot because all the shots were close contact, then to fit another sinario they have her like an assasin from bedroom doors and two of the shots very near each other in the face as he's coming up stairs at distance?

[Jane]

How come, one minute supporters say Sheila didn't have to be a good shot because all the shots were close contact, then to fit another sinario they have her like an assasin from bedroom doors and two shots very near each other in the face as he's coming up stairs at distance?

Coz it's easier to take individual 'frames' and make it fit what they're proposing than to take the thing as a whole, because then all that's left is gut instinct and a belief in Jeremy.

[mike tesko]

Well he was outside that morning you was not, so I would put his view more accurate.

What a load of codswallop!

How the xxxx can anyone say that Jeremy Bamber knows the truth more than anyone else, how his family died, just because he was at the scene albeit outside in the grounds!  He is not as intelligent as you give him credit for! He was a bit behind the door intelligence wise when I first came into contact with him in 1989! Anyway, you believe what you want! No court in the land will ever accept that Sheila killed herself, like Jeremy Bamber is maintaining, because she didn't kill herself! Oh, and Bamber didn't kill his sister either! Where did he kill her then? Downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs on top of the bed. Or on the bedroom floor? What gun did he shoot her dead with in the kitchen? How did Jeremy shoot his sister dead, or she allegedly shoot herself dead with the anshuzt rifle resting at the first floor box room window? I suppose you've got an explanation for all these eventualities, you being far more intelligent and logical than I could ever hope to be!

Stop talking bullshit!

[mike tesko]

Many of the scenarios introduced appear shallow in there presentation, not many people on here have yet looked at and considered the bigger picture, building into their version of their scenario all known relevant facts, and the interpretation of all known facts...

[guest7363]

What a load of codswallop!

How the xxxx can anyone say that Jeremy Bamber knows the truth more than anyone else, how his family died, just because he was at the scene albeit outside in the grounds!  He is not as intelligent as you give him credit for! He was a bit behind the door intelligence wise when I first came into contact with him in 1989! Anyway, you believe what you want! No court in the land will ever accept that Sheila killed herself, like Jeremy Bamber is maintaining, because she didn't kill herself! Oh, and Bamber didn't kill his sister either! Where did he kill her then? Downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs on top of the bed. Or on the bedroom floor? What gun did he shoot her dead with in the kitchen? How did Jeremy shoot his sister dead, or she allegedly shoot herself dead with the anshuzt rifle resting at the first floor box room window? I suppose you've got an explanation for all these eventualities, you being far more intelligent and logical than I could ever hope to be!

Stop talking bullshit!

Why the need to swear, you asked a question I answered it, he was outside, don't ask the question if you don't want people to answer.  I didn't swear in my answer.  I wouldnt call anyone thick that passed 7 O levels.

[Jane]

What a load of codswallop!

How the xxxx can anyone say that Jeremy Bamber knows the truth more than anyone else, how his family died, just because he was at the scene albeit outside in the grounds!  He is not as intelligent as you give him credit for! He was a bit behind the door intelligence wise when I first came into contact with him in 1989! Anyway, you believe what you want! No court in the land will ever accept that Sheila killed herself, like Jeremy Bamber is maintaining, because she didn't kill herself! Oh, and Bamber didn't kill his sister either! Where did he kill her then? Downstairs in the kitchen, upstairs on top of the bed. Or on the bedroom floor? What gun did he shoot her dead with in the kitchen? How did Jeremy shoot his sister dead, or she allegedly shoot herself dead with the anshuzt rifle resting at the first floor box room window? I suppose you've got an explanation for all these eventualities, you being far more intelligent and logical than I could ever hope to be!

Stop talking bullshit!

But it isn't as if any "court in the land" is being asked to "accept that Sheila killed herself like Jeremy Bamber is maintaining". The relevant court accepted that Jeremy killed her, AND his family.

[susan]

Thank you. You agree with most other people that Nevill did not ring the police.

Why do you think Sheila took the rifle and locked herself in the downstairs bathroom, & started to shout & threaten ? If she wanted to committ murder/suicide with the rifle she had taken,  she just needed to go upstairs with it before anyone woke.

If locking herself in the bathroom & waking Nevill meant she had no plans to kill anyone, what made her change her mind ?  Sheila wouldn't know Nevill was ringing Bamber as she was behind a closed door.

There is a slim chance Sheila would hear Nevill say 11 words to Bamber. If still in the downstairs bathroom. I don't know why that would upset Sheila so much to go upstairs & start shooting.  However if it did, Nevill could stop her as the call went dead after those 11 words. 

Did Nevill not see or hear Sheila go upstairs with the rifle ? He was in the kitchen ringing Bamber. Sheila was making enough noise earlier behind a downstairs closed door to wake him. Although no one else woke. So very doubtful Sheila went upstairs silently.

If Nevill had either heard upstairs shots or seen Sheila go upstairs with the rifle, why was he so unprotected when going upstairs. Sheila was allowed 4 close range shots to Nevill's face.

Adam maybe Sheila was in the kitchen with the rifle and Nevill heard her he came downstairs and she ran off into the bathroom locked the door maybe at this stage she was really freaking out this is when he range Jeremy she would have heard him she dashed back uptairs shot June Nevill entered the room and was shot on his approach he went off to arm himself and she was following him.  I have another theory will tell you tomorrow.

[David1819]

It was agreed that all the shots were close contact shots, most within a few inches, the furthest being 4' away?   The two facial shots wound have bled freely and was in an area that is rich in blood, his mouth would have filled quickly and he would have spat blood out all over the stairs and where ever Neville was,  and a  good deal of blood, this was agreed by the defence.

For what its worth. The theory is Neville retreats holding the wounds just inflicted. This then puts the shoulder into a perfect location for the shot from above to be inflicted.

The shell casings eject forward and can travel up to six feet (apparently). Three of them bounce off the bedroom wall and onto the floor were found (as demonstrated). The one found on the stairs got passed the wall and onto the stairs were it was found.

[mike tesko]

The court which convicted Jeremy Bamber did not know or hear about a lot of evidence which impacted on the evidence which was relied upon by the prosecution, it's witnesses, it's experts, the fact that 'Stan' Jones took the silencer away from the scene on the first morning of the investigation, and returned it into the so called gun cupboard in the den on evening of 9 August 1985, which paved the way for David Boutflour to recover it on the following day!

[mike tesko]

The court which convicted Jeremy Bamber did not know or hear about a lot of evidence which impacted on the evidence which was relied upon by the prosecution, it's witnesses, it's experts, the fact that 'Stan' Jones took the silencer away from the scene on the first morning of the investigation, and returned it into the so called gun cupboard in the den on evening of 9 August 1985, which paved the way for David Boutflour to recover it on the following day!

The exhibit reference (SBJ/1) to the silencer came into force on the first morning of the police investigation (7 August 1985) which becomes problematic for the prosecutions case, because the jury which convicted Jeremy Bamber, and the judge (Drake) which sentenced him to life imprisonment were deceived into thinking the same silencer emerged for the first time when it was found by David Boutflour in the gun cupboard at the farmhouse on 10 August 1985! If the prosecutions case were true, how come 'Stan' Jones had possession of it (SBJ/1) on the first morning of the police investigation? How come upon returning to the scene from Jeremy's cottage that SOCO permitted Jones to remove four different exhibits from the crime scene including the silencer (SBJ/1) if it was scenes of crime officers task and duty to seize and take possession of all or any exhibits linked to any of the deaths? The significance of this matter none more exposed by the fact that when the case was being treated as 'four murders and a suicide' that the silencer (SBJ/1) was logged in a Major Incident Property Register along with three other SBJ exhibits taken from the scene on that first morning! However, once the nature of the investigation changed into one of 'five murders', all 'Stan' Jones four exhibits including the silencer (SBJ/1) were struck out from a new version of the Major Incident Property Register, as though it had never existed or been recovered at all by 'Stan' Jones! Suddenly the silencer was hailed as being found and recovered for the very first time by David Boutflour from the gun cupboard in the den at the scene on 10 August 1985 (4 days after it had already been seized by 'Stan' Jones)!!

[mike tesko]

With the silencer (SBJ/1) in his possession from the first morning of the police investigation, how as it panned out, Jones and Jones went to see Jeremy Bamber at his cottage on the afternoon 9 August 1985, and amongst other things queried Jeremy as to whether or not the silencer was fitted to the guns barrel at the time he took possession of the anshuzt rifle late evening on the 6th August 1985? 'No' responded Jeremy. He told them that the silencer was not fitted to the gun at that time! Once Jones and Jones satisfied themselves of this fact, they took the opportunity later that same evening to return the silencer back into the farmhouse, into the gun cupboard in the den, where David Boutflour later recovered it again on the following day!

[mike tesko]

With the silencer (SBJ/1) in his possession from the first morning of the police investigation, how as it panned out, Jones and Jones went to see Jeremy Bamber at his cottage on the afternoon 9 August 1985, and amongst other things queried Jeremy as to whether or not the silencer was fitted to the guns barrel at the time he took possession of the anshuzt rifle late evening on the 6th August 1985? 'No' responded Jeremy. He told them that the silencer was not fitted to the gun at that time! Once Jones and Jones satisfied themselves of this fact, they took the opportunity later that same evening to return the silencer back into the farmhouse, into the gun cupboard in the den, where David Boutflour later recovered it again on the following day!

All the while, Sheila's blood secreted inside it!

[mike tesko]

This begs the questions - (1) why did SOCO permit 'Stan' Jones to remove the silencer from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation (2) why did Jones and Jones return the said silencer to the farmhouse on evening of 9 August 1985 knowing it had been used on the rifle which shot and killed Sheila Caffell, and (3) the strong likelihood that it contained Sheila's blood inside it?