Author Topic: Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!  (Read 78615 times)

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Offline Roch

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Let's just have a rethink on your last paragraph, Roch. It's HIGHLY likely that the 'evidence' from the first morning was coloured by everything Jeremy -and ONLY Jeremy- had told them ie they made it fit what they believed they knew. Which isn't to say that what they believed they knew was correct.

Hi Jane. Firstly, I believe this is a myth: that was born out of which existing testimony, the police decided they could make use of once Mike Ainsley took over.

The evidence I refer to could not be coloured as you put it. It is not that type of evidence.

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With respect to the guilter reasoning on this, there have been other massive cover ups involving police corruption that have gone on for 25 years.

I don't think you could have the info provided in Shaw's account - without people having spilled the beans. I do not believe Shaw is Mike Tesko.

The CT have also claimed that somebody came forward about the silencer and expressed remorse.

It is also true that physical evidence existed on the morning of the crime, strongly indicating Sheila was the murderer.  It was recorded and continues to exist as such.  Therefore in order for there not to have been a cover up - this evidence would have to not exist or be recorded in the first place.
I do agree on police cover ups and I do believe that back then once the senior police officer is focused on one line of investigation it's hard to move his stance, take Oldfield in the Ripper investigation he was gone on the geordie accent, even though other officers was telling him to dismiss this theory and if he had listened it could have saved others.

But what are we led to believe about the cover up, was it one person and the family (impossible) was it a few senior police and the family, was it every police officer who said anything negative about Bamber, was it Julie Mugford, was it forensics or M15 coupled with Free Masons or was it drug related.  Did Sheila lay on the floor and pretend to be dead in the kitchen then jump up and run upstairs and shoot herself, or did the police shoot her in the kitchen then upstairs again by accident then cover up their own mistake and blame Bamber.  Or was it simply a mistake by the police who were led to believe it was murder suicide and were led by someone like Oldfield who didn't like being proved wrong and made assumptions before forensics and lines of enquiry had finished?  I do believe the killer, like the Ripper and Bamber, were staring the police in the face.


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The police didn't change stance. Thread created.

Stan Jones, Miller, Bews etc believed Bamber was guilty from the beginning. Taff Jones refused to budge & was taken off heading the case.

The media just reported it as murder/suicide on the day of the massacre.

Once the forensic & circumstantial evidence had been processed & Julie came forward, Bamber was arrested a month after the massacre. This does not seem like a long time considering it was a 5x murder.
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Someone posted that Taff Jones died in March 1986. So had over 6 months to let the media or higher senior police know that Sheila was guilty.  And why.

However he kept quiet for 6 months & accepted being taken off heading the case & the change of direction.
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I don't agree with the OS that Bamber was framed because the police shot Sheila.

A month after the massacre no one was accusing the police of shooting Sheila. Espescially Bamber.

As said, the police had simply processed the forensic & circumstantial evidence. And Julie had come forward.
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The police didn't change stance. Thread created.

Stan Jones, Miller, Bews etc believed Bamber was guilty from the beginning. Taff Jones refused to budge & was taken off heading the case.


Why do you continue to post BS?


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I do agree on police cover ups and I do believe that back then once the senior police officer is focused on one line of investigation it's hard to move his stance, take Oldfield in the Ripper investigation he was gone on the geordie accent, even though other officers was telling him to dismiss this theory and if he had listened it could have saved others.

But what are we led to believe about the cover up, was it one person and the family (impossible) was it a few senior police and the family, was it every police officer who said anything negative about Bamber, was it Julie Mugford, was it forensics or M15 coupled with Free Masons or was it drug related.  Did Sheila lay on the floor and pretend to be dead in the kitchen then jump up and run upstairs and shoot herself, or did the police shoot her in the kitchen then upstairs again by accident then cover up their own mistake and blame Bamber.  Or was it simply a mistake by the police who were led to believe it was murder suicide and were led by someone like Oldfield who didn't like being proved wrong and made assumptions before forensics and lines of enquiry had finished?  I do believe the killer, like the Ripper and Bamber, were staring the police in the face.

I think you make some good points here. 

I think a small group of officers were 'sympathetic' to the relatives and undermined DCI Jones.  This did not initially contain Miller - as he expressed "disgust" at the relatives insinuations.  Didn't Stan Jones also initially challenge Ann Eaton, regarding the prospect of 'sending an innocent man to prison'? 

Once the pressures to investigate Bamber were created by ACC Simpson - officers simply jumped ship to what was required.  Some stayed silent - others actively took part (perhaps this speaks volumes about individual characters and their levels of integrity - or lack of it).

Why Simpson decided to change?  Perhaps if EP retain control of the case - it gives them the opportunity to continue to cover what happened in the farmhouse and allows them control over the available original evidence.  They have a window of opportunity to manipulate and hide evidence.  Once relatives go to press or a higher body than EP top brass, external queries could be directed towards EP. There would have have been the spectre of an outside agency or police force discovering the original evidence - bringing in to question all of the orginal decisions made by Simpson, Harris, Jones etc.?

I think this is where the suggestion comes from - that EP probably wanted the prosecution to fail - while simultaneously appeasing the relatives - that everything possible was done to achieve a conviction. 

I also find it intereting about what you suggest may have happened with Sheila.  I once suggested that and a former member (current member of red forum) described my scenario mockingly as 'Sheila playing possum'.  I've wondered about it because it aids in the defence suggestion she made her way upstairs.  It does not explain though, how or why police regarded her as "dead" and a "suicide" on entry to the kitchen - as she would in this scenaio have no obvious wounds.
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Why do you continue to post BS?

Good point.

Offline lookout

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Mike,do you know the true identity of " David Shaw " as this I believe is a pseudonym ? If so and you don't want to disclose it,I'll understand.

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I think you make some good points here. 

I think a small group of officers were 'sympathetic' to the relatives and undermined DCI Jones.  This did not initially contain Miller - as he expressed "disgust" at the relatives insinuations.  Didn't Stan Jones also initially challenge Ann Eaton, regarding the prospect of 'sending an innocent man to prison'? 

Once the pressures to investigate Bamber were created by ACC Simpson - officers simply jumped ship to what was required.  Some stayed silent - others actively took part (perhaps this speaks volumes about individual characters and their levels of integrity - or lack of it).

Why Simpson decided to change?  Perhaps if EP retain control of the case - it gives them the opportunity to continue to cover what happened in the farmhouse and allows them control over the available original evidence.  They have a window of opportunity to manipulate and hide evidence.  Once relatives go to press or a higher body then EP top brass, external queries could be directed towards EP. There would have have been the spectre of an outside agency or police force discovering the original evidence - bringing in to question all of the orginal decisions made by Simpson, Harris, Jones etc.?

I think this is where the suggestion comes from - that EP probably wanted the prosecution to fail - while simultaneously appeasing the relatives - that everything possible was done to achieve a conviction. 

I also find it intereting about what you suggest may have happened with Sheila.  I once suggested that and a former member and member (current member of red forum) described my scenario mockingly as 'Sheila playing possum'.  I've wondered about it because it aids in the defence suggestion she made her way upstairs.  It does not explain though, how or why police regarded her as "dead" and a "suicide" on entry to the kitchen - as she would in this scenaio have no obvious wounds.

A small group of officers were sympathetic to the relatives and not bothered about what went on at the farmhouse at that point? They didn't close ranks to stop top brass finding out about this 'thing'? Some even jumped ship but it still managed to hit top brass? So is this conspiracy with just a few officers or at the heart of EP as a whole - it's rather confusing. Also, if they wanted the evidence to fail, why include a blood filled silencer which if discovered would mean far more than something that happened at the farmhouse.  None of this rings true for me.
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Why do you continue to post BS?

Shouldn't you be concentrating on you're BS 5th scenario attempt ?  Complete with pretty diagrams. Mind you you've only been on it for 5 months.

At least you tried in you're 4 previous failures. Roch's scenario is just 'Sheila shot them but I can't explain the phone calls'.

Anyway. The police didn't change stance. They just arrested Bamber after one month. But feel free to be a conspiracy theorist.
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Shouldn't you be concentrating on you're BS 5th scenario attempt ?  Complete with pretty diagrams. Mind you you've only been on it for 5 months.

At least you tried in you're 4 previous failures. Roch's scenario is 'Sheila shot them but I can't explain the phone calls'.

Anyway. The police didn't change stance. They just arrested Bamber after one month.

Hahaha Adam David must be smarter than me I have been on mine for 4 years hehehe
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Hahaha Adam David must be smarter than me I have been on my for 4 years hehehe

Everyone is awaiting you're scenario which was due on Saturday. But better late than never.

It does not have to include diagrams. It just has to be plausible.

The last two scenarios from Buddy & Lucy had to be dismissed. No one believes Nevill rang Bamber after being shot 4 times & no one believes a fully fit Nevill fought Sheila & lost.

Hopefully you're scenario will assist everyone.
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Mike,do you know the true identity of " David Shaw " as this I believe is a pseudonym ? If so and you don't want to disclose it,I'll understand.

Hi lookout

David Shaw is elusive I have searched for him and can only find a Sports writer in Australia.  I am not saying for one moment he does not exist he may have written one book then drifted into the night :)

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Everyone is awaiting you're scenario which was due on Saturday. But better late than never.

It does not have to include diagrams. It just has to be plausible.

The last two scenarios from Buddy & Lucy had to be dismissed. No one believes Nevill rang Bamber after being shot 4 times & no one believes a fully fit Nevill fought Sheila & lost.

Hopefully you're scenario will assist everyone.

Adam my scenario is the best and it could change your stance on this case and you will be posting as JB innocent.  Be patient a wee bit longer it is nearly finished. I am busy just now researching happenings from 1745 this will be ongoing so will set it aside and get back to my Sheila scenario.