Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Caroline]

Neither one way or 'other really,but drugs affect each individual in a different way. Sheila would have had enough angst inside her to have done what she did,mark my word.

They affected Sheila in the 'over sedated' way. Yes, her behaviour was full of angst - not ONE person mentioned anything other than she was subdued. Make it up if you like - it won't help!

[Adam]

No I don't believe she pre planned it, she didn't ignore the children as she was out with them alone earlier that day, and had been shopping with them and June, June I agree expresses great concern, what do you make of the remark at the table out of the blue that "all people are evil and need to be killed?"

Only Roch has suggested Sheila pre planned the massacre. However this was apparently only pre planned in Sheila's head during & just after supper on the massacre night.

This is the reason why Sheila was so non responsive that night. Rather than being on Haloperidol.

[lookout]

I believe Sheila timed the massacre before their stay at WHF ended and the twins went away from her !

[Caroline]

I believe Sheila timed the massacre before their stay at WHF ended and the twins went away from her !

If Sheila wanted to kill herself and the twins, it would have been far easier to do it at her flat and in a much less violent way. Taking on June and Nevill was a risk and if she had aforethought, I'm sure she would have factored that in.

[Steve_uk]

If Sheila wanted to kill herself and the twins, it would have been far easier to do it at her flat and in a much less violent way. Taking on June and Nevill was a risk and if she had aforethought, I'm sure she would have factored that in.

Yes that's a good point Caroline.

[lookout]

If Sheila wanted to kill herself and the twins, it would have been far easier to do it at her flat and in a much less violent way. Taking on June and Nevill was a risk and if she had aforethought, I'm sure she would have factored that in.

Because guns were to hand at WHF,it would have been an easier,quicker process than anything she'd have used at her flat. Besides,her mother wouldn't have been there to antagonise her into doing anything as drastic.
The stage was already set at WHF and Sheila had put thought into it,probably more so during and after supper as the discussion got more heated.

[Adam]

If Sheila planned the massacre there is no reason why Nevill would be awake & able to make phone call/s. She just needed to go downstairs, pick up the rifle & then go upstairs to shoot him.

[David1819]

Of what?

Posting Ricky Gifs.

[David1819]

If Sheila wanted to kill herself and the twins, it would have been far easier to do it at her flat and in a much less violent way. Taking on June and Nevill was a risk and if she had aforethought, I'm sure she would have factored that in.

How on earth can you be sure of this? 

[Roch]

If Sheila wanted to kill herself and the twins, it would have been far easier to do it at her flat and in a much less violent way. Taking on June and Nevill was a risk and if she had aforethought, I'm sure she would have factored that in.

Perhaps being at the farm (where she was less happy) and around her mam (with her religiosity etc); and the rejection by Colin; and the recent contact with her birth mother; and the reduction in her anti-psychotic; and fact there were farm weapons - became a lethal combination regarding her mental health.  Factor in an added conversation about extra assistance for the twins etc (which took place at the farm - not in London).

[Caroline]

Perhaps being at the farm (where she was less happy) and around her mam (with her religiosity etc); and the rejection by Colin; and the recent contact with her birth mother; and the reduction in her anti-psychotic; and fact there were farm weapons - became a lethal combination regarding her mental health.  Factor in an added conversation about extra assistance for the twins etc (which took place at the farm - not in London).

Nothing to support that at the time, she was suffering from 'religiosity' that was when she was in hospital. What rejection by Colin? Regardless of the reduction, she was still on a high dose and even though her next injection was due, she still had a medium dose in her system when she died. I think the semi-auto would have been the last choice of weapon as she didn't know how to use it. We only have Jeremy's word that such a conversation took place - June had no say in how the twins were brought up, Colin had custody.

[Adam]

Perhaps being at the farm (where she was less happy) and around her mam (with her religiosity etc); and the rejection by Colin; and the recent contact with her birth mother; and the reduction in her anti-psychotic; and fact there were farm weapons - became a lethal combination regarding her mental health.  Factor in an added conversation about extra assistance for the twins etc (which took place at the farm - not in London).

It's actually a point that WHF had weapons. While Sheila's flat didn't. But she could have found other ways to kill 6 year old boys at her flat.

However you shot you're bolt by not responding to any of the points on the 'Sheila planning the massacre' thread. Which was specifically created after you said Sheila was so quiet at supper because she was planning in her head to kill everyone, rather than because of being on Haloperidol.   

[David1819]

Perhaps being at the farm (where she was less happy) and around her mam (with her religiosity etc); and the rejection by Colin; and the recent contact with her birth mother; and the reduction in her anti-psychotic; and fact there were farm weapons - became a lethal combination regarding her mental health.  Factor in an added conversation about extra assistance for the twins etc (which took place at the farm - not in London).

Then Factor in the fact she was found inside the farm (locked from the inside) with the gun in her arms. Everyone else shot with excessive overkill (typical of a psychotic shooter) With no credible evidence to indicate this was staged. No evidence that Jeremy has the forensic knowledge to stage the crime in such a convincing fashion. Followed by evidence showing Sheila died while Jeremy was outside with the police.

More or less sums it all up.

[Caroline]

Then Factor in the fact she was found inside the farm (locked from the inside) with the gun in her arms. Everyone else shot with excessive overkill (typical of a psychotic shooter) With no credible evidence to indicate this was staged. No evidence that Jeremy has the forensic knowledge to stage the crime in such a convincing fashion. Followed by 'NO' evidence showing Sheila died while Jeremy was outside with the police.

More or less sums it all up.

[Adam]

If Sheila had pre planned the massacre, she wouldn't be bare footed in a nightie. She had to walk around a big house & perhaps overcome resistance. 

Nevill wouldn't wake. If he did, there would be a life or death struggle before he had the chance to make any phone calls.  Sheila would attempt to kill him straight away as she had already made up her mind.