Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Lucy522]

Nevill was shot four times in the master bedroom and on the landing. June was shot whilst sitting up from her bed.

Is there a scenario where this can fit Sheila, given that Nevill has already (allegedly) called Jeremy saying that Sheila is going berserk/crazy with the gun?

Did the throat shot come first then? Why is their blood on the kitchen worktop by the phone? Neville was right by it given the blood staining. And phone was off the hook on polices arrival.

[Jane]

Did the throat shot come first then? Why is their blood on the kitchen worktop by the phone? Neville was right by it given the blood staining. And phone was off the hook on polices arrival.

Leave aside the throat shot, Lucy. Before it got that far, it would likely have taken out teeth, jaw, part of the cheek and tongue, leaving a mouthful of blood. D'you STILL think he could have made a phone call AND stood and waited for Jeremy to answer, or not?

[Roch]

From post 171 onwards - the title of this thread changes.  How has that happened?

[Caroline]

From post 171 onwards - the title of this thread changes.  How has that happened?

Someone must have changed it when they replied.

[guest2181]

Did the throat shot come first then? Why is their blood on the kitchen worktop by the phone? Neville was right by it given the blood staining. And phone was off the hook on polices arrival.

The four shots in the kitchen were all fatal, so yes the two shots to his face were upstairs.

Are you certain there was blood on the worktop near the phone? There is blood on the floor and what appears to be blood on the worktop near the bullets, but it isn't mentioned anywhere so it may not be.

The phone off the hook could be staged, there is no blood on the phone.

[Lucy522]

The four shots in the kitchen were all fatal, so yes the two shots to his face were upstairs.

Are you certain there was blood on the worktop near the phone? There is blood on the floor and what appears to be blood on the worktop near the bullets, but it isn't mentioned anywhere so it may not be.

The phone off the hook could be staged, there is no blood on the phone.

Only from the crime scene photos, it looks like a smeared hand print, agreed the phone could of been staged or it could of been dropped, thing is if Jeremy did it why mention a phone call why make it up? It serves no purpose really, why didn't he wait until the bodies were discovered in the morning?

[guest2181]

Only from the crime scene photos, it looks like a smeared hand print, agreed the phone could of been staged or it could of been dropped, thing is if Jeremy did it why mention a phone call why make it up? It serves no purpose really, why didn't he wait until the bodies were discovered in the morning?

The phone call is his alibi. Although it was also his noose, as it limited the possible culprits down to him or Sheila.

[guest2181]

Only from the crime scene photos, it looks like a smeared hand print, agreed the phone could of been staged or it could of been dropped, thing is if Jeremy did it why mention a phone call why make it up? It serves no purpose really, why didn't he wait until the bodies were discovered in the morning?

Presumably you mean this photo?

I'm not convinced that the marks above the drawer on the left is actually blood. It isn't documented anywhere, I think it's just wear and tear.

[Lucy522]

The phone call is his alibi. Although it was also his noose, as it limited the possible culprits down to him or Sheila.

I see that, I just can't decide either way there's so much for and against on both sides I'm more inclined to believe it's Sheila though:
I used to do homecare I looked after a schizophrenic man, I did his evening call nothing was amiss he seemed in good spirits although up and down during the week. I returned in the morning and couldn't get in, I called the police and they went in and he'd slit his own wrists and bled out, all is not always as it appears, I would never of thought for a minute he was capable of that.

[Jane]

Presumably you mean this photo?

I'm not convinced that the marks above the drawer on the left is actually blood. It isn't documented anywhere, I think it's just wear and tear.

I agree. I think it was a much used draw and the finger marks are the result. Get a new cleaner, I'd say!!!

[Adam]

I see that, I just can't decide either way there's so much for and against on both sides I'm more inclined to believe it's Sheila though:
I used to do homecare I looked after a schizophrenic man, I did his evening call nothing was amiss he seemed in good spirits although up and down during the week. I returned in the morning and couldn't get in, I called the police and they went in and he'd slit his own wrists and bled out, all is not always as it appears, I would never of thought for a minute he was capable of that.

There is nothing which suggests Sheila committed the massacre. There is a forensic evidence library incriminating Bamber on this forum.

Conspiracy therorists try to big up minor things. Such as Bamber moving a Sheila on Haloperidol a few feet from her bed. Although can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre.

[Lucy522]

There is nothing which suggests Sheila committed the massacre. There is a forensic evidence library incriminating Bamber on this forum.

Conspiracy therorists try to big up minor things. Such as Bamber moving a Sheila on Haloperidol a few feet from her bed. Although can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre.

Adam you are obsessed with haloperidol, it's not the only factor in all of this!

[Roch]

There is nothing which suggests Sheila committed the massacre.

Conspiracy therorists try to big up minor things.

There was a wealth of evidence indicating Sheila.  The police could not destroy it all and some remains.  Some is actually on this forum in plain sight.  It has even been debated on (to some extent).

In short, Sheila killed everyone by retaining control of a loaded weapon. The injuries sustained by the other two adults, dramatically reduced any physical advantage that they may have had, either individually or collectively.

[Jane]

There was a wealth of evidence indicating Sheila.  The police could not destroy it all and some remains.  Some is actually on this forum in plain sight.  It has even been debated on (to some extent).

In short, Sheila killed everyone by retaining control of a loaded weapon. The injuries sustained by the other two adults, dramatically reduced any physical advantage that they may have had, either individually or collectively.

Sorry Roch., but I can't support that Nevill would have left Sheila with a gun pointed at her mother, and she could only have shot one person at a time. If she'd shot him first and he'd managed to get past her to go downstairs, wounded, he could just as easily hurled himself at her.

[Roch]

Sorry Roch., but I can't support that Nevill would have left Sheila with a gun pointed at her mother, and she could only have shot one person at a time. If she'd shot him first and he'd managed to get past her to go downstairs, wounded, he could just as easily hurled himself at her.

Even though you may have genuine concerns - whatever the course of events and whatever the sequence of events that took place - the result was as I have stated above. It is not really possible to work out the dynamics of a mother and father being woken and confronted by an armed daughter; who may or may not have been hallucinating.