Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Jane]

Nugs you can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre. How do I know ? Because you haven't.

Sheila was on Haloperidol. She could not perform basic functions.

The relatives knew as they knew Sheila. Her best friend said a week before the massacre Sheila needed help getting off sofa's.

Maybe you should read what Colin has to say about how much -little- the relatives knew of Sheila's illness.

[susan]

Sheila was easy to control. You know this. Bamber knew this as he had seen her hours earlier.

Anyway, can you explain how Sheila committed the massacre. To match the crime scene. You didn't in my recent thread.

Please include 1/2 phone calls from Nevill. A savage kitchen fight & two rifle chamber/breach/reloads.

You can pretend that Sheila was not on Haloperidol.

Adam who told you Sheila was easy to control?

[Adam]

You are right, it is horrendous, I guess having looked at this for so long I've gotten used too used to it, almost like reading about characters in a book.

The twins not waking up is odd. Perhaps they were the first victims?

Yes the twins (& June) not waking is odd.

Sheila was going so 'crazy' an 'awake' Nevill phoned Bamber & the fifth furthest away police station.

[nugnug]

No but I created a thread. Which showed 60+ side effects. Did you not see it ? It's a very powerful drug.

she side efects dont effect everybody drugs effect people in diffrent ways .

[Lucy522]

Shopping with the boys & June ? Source please. I have a source for the sofa.

Sheila couldn't perform basic functions. She was on Haloperidol. Committing an intense, physical, lengthy, complicated, emotional massacre was impossible. Even if fully fit as Nevill was up & awake.

It's in carol Ann lees book near the beginning, they were shopping for trousers for the boys, the man said she didn't speak and recoiled in horror when on leaving she turned round and smiled with bright Red lipstick smeared all over her teeth,

[susan]

Yes the twins (& June) not waking is odd.

Sheila was going so 'crazy' an 'awake' Nevill phoned Bamber & the fifth furthest away police station.

Adam maybe Jeremy was in shock due to the phone call from his Dad and did not know quite what to do and needed time to decide if this was urgent or just Sheila having a "moment" we don't know what he felt like if indeed he received a call.

[Adam]

she side efects dont effect everybody drugs effect people in diffrent ways .

I know. All the 60+ side effects would make it impossible for Sheila to commit the massacre. Whether she was suffering from 20 or 30 of them.

[Jane]

You are right, it is horrendous, I guess having looked at this for so long I've gotten used too used to it, almost like reading about characters in a book.

The twins not waking up is odd. Perhaps they were the first victims?

That's a point I've pushed on several occasions. We believe what we first hear/read if we believe the person telling/writing A) has more knowledge than we of the subject B) is telling the truth. Thus it was when I first joined, I believed that pictures were available which would see Jeremy released withing weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and following that line, THUS it was, that Jeremy was able to convince police that Sheila, because of her mental history, was capable of using a gun proficiently enough to kill. We accept what we're told and go on repeating it like a mantra until we stop and question.

[susan]

It's in carol Ann lees book near the beginning, they were shopping for trousers for the boys, the man said she didn't speak and recoiled in horror when on leaving she turned round and smiled with bright Red lipstick smeared all over her teeth,

Lucy I remember that now she was quite capable of shopping her over sedation must not have kicked in at that stage.

[Lucy522]

You are right, it is horrendous, I guess having looked at this for so long I've gotten used too used to it, almost like reading about characters in a book.

The twins not waking up is odd. Perhaps they were the first victims?

I can't see how they would of slept through Hartley, I have 4 boys under 11 and we wake in the night my husband and I know not to flush the toilet as that alone wakes them? Why go for the twins first though?, they were the least threat in the house? No one went in that room after they were murdered as there was no blood smears/spatters on the carpet so not one of the adults checked them during this? Why not? They surely would of been first port of call for any caring mother/grandparent?

[Adam]

Adam maybe Jeremy was in shock due to the phone call from his Dad and did not know quite what to do and needed time to decide if this was urgent or just Sheila having a "moment" we don't know what he felt like if indeed he received a call.

What's that got to do with the twins not waking while an awake Nevill was trying to control a 'crazy' Sheila.

[Steve_uk]

Firstly, if Sheila was 'so easy to control' and this 'benefited Bamber' - how was he unable to correctly shoot her on the first occasion?  The most crucial shot he had to make that night - and he couldn't even control her properly or aim it properly.  He also knowingly risked having to shoot her more than once -because he knowingly used a low calibre weapon intended for killing vermin.

What rubbish.

I think he was anxious to get the whole thing over with after shooting over twenty times already, he was probably on a cocktail of narcotics from cannabis to cocaine so on a euphoric high and just wanted to dispatch Sheila as quickly as possible before she had time to worry about the twins. He had to use the Anschutz because it tallied with the uncorroborated story from his mouth about leaving the weapon on the settle.

[Lucy522]

Lucy I remember that now she was quite capable of shopping her over sedation must not have kicked in at that stage.

If she was that sedated and didn't have any interest in anything, the last thing she would of done was go shopping surely!

[Steve_uk]

B- U - L - L - S - H - I - T  Alert!

If the two shots had been suspicious - they would have been suspicious for every copper who walked in to that farmhouse from Harris downwards and viewed Sheila's body - FROM THE VERY OFF.  The two shots miraculously only came suspicious much later.  They would have been suspicious with immediate effect.  The police don't make assumptions and we are talking about tonnes of coppers from divisional commanders and experienced CID to experienced firearms and keen bobbies looking to make a mark.  Oh.. and I forgot - also SOC & photography - who's very role is to specifically study and record the scene.

Maybe they were overcome after seeing four dead bodies then a pretty young girl in that position and averted their eyes in sorrow.

[Adam]

I can't see how they would of slept through Hartley, I have 4 boys under 11 and we wake in the night my husband and I know not to flush the toilet as that alone wakes them? Why go for the twins first though?, they were the least threat in the house? No one went in that room after they were murdered as there was no blood smears/spatters on the carpet so not one of the adults checked them during this? Why not? They surely would of been first port of call for any caring mother/grandparent?

I agree the twins may have woken while Nevill was trying to control a 'crazy' Sheila & ringing Bamber & the fifth furthest away police station. But they didn't.

There is no reason why the twins would wake from Bamber. The only noise was downstairs in a big house.