Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[nugnug]

Who said they did? They didn't know what medication she was taking. They were talking about how she behaved which just proves the notion of over sedation.

who said they did well they did when the said she couldent biol a kettle or make beans on toast if they wernt close to her how the hell would they know that.

[Adam]

That's not what I said is it Adam? Seriously? Is that best you can come up with? And if he moved her after shooting her there would of been blood smears, t was said she was shot sitting up and had not moved after the first shot was fired.

If she was effected 'somewhat' by the moderate level of Haloperidol she was on, which is normal, she did  not commit the massacre. And was easy to control.

I don't see what the problem is.

[Jane]

I believe the conversation did take place, it would of had to, June had asked her friend to pray for Sheila and said she wanted her to come and form an opinion of her health, this was a worried mother/gramdparenti

Yes, I agree. However, from what I've been given to understand of June's personality, "worried" -on a permanent basis- is an accurate description. I don't see how, with the children's daily care being catered for -albeit somewhat imperfectly- MORE child care -unless the suggestion was that she should give up all rights to them? Unlikely, I'd have thought- was an option.

[Lucy522]

I understand your concerns, but I do think that it's possible that Sheila simply froze out of fear, as Jane just mentioned, we don't know what (if any) threats were used to coerce Sheila.

Looking at this in isolation, it seems fairly reasonable to consider the alternative of Sheila being responsible.

Agreed, god knows what would go through someone's mind in this situation, I feel though as a mother myself you would of had to kill me to get to my children I would of fought for them, why wasn't she in their room? Why did she run out and leave them? Unless she knew they were dead? Why were they still sleeping soundly with one still sucking their  thumb? (I get goosebumps writing that it's so horrendous), how on earth did they not wake up? There was shots being fired, and physical fights it would of been very loud. This bit Troubles me.

[Lucy522]

If she was effected 'somewhat' by the moderate level of Haloperidol she was on, which is normal, she did  not commit the massacre. And was easy to control.

I don't see what the problem is.

That's because your to stubborn or ignorant to consider any other view, which is fine. Do you have first hand knowledge or have you personally dealt with someone on this amount of drug and with this psychiatric condition?

[Adam]

who said they did well they did when the said she couldent biol a kettle or make beans on toast if they wernt close to her how the hell would they know that.

Nugs you can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre. How do I know ? Because you haven't.

Sheila was on Haloperidol. She could not perform basic functions.

The relatives knew as they knew Sheila. Her best friend said a week before the massacre Sheila needed help getting off sofa's.

[Lucy522]

Yes, I agree. However, from what I've been given to understand of June's personality, "worried" -on a permanent basis- is an accurate description. I don't see how, with the children's daily care being catered for -albeit somewhat imperfectly- MORE child care -unless the suggestion was that she should give up all rights to them? Unlikely, I'd have thought- was an option.

But if her illness was under control why the need for it at all? Maybe June knew she was heading for another breakdown! Hence the conversation? Just a thought?.

[Adam]

That's because your to stubborn or ignorant to consider any other view, which is fine. Do you have first hand knowledge or have you personally dealt with someone on this amount of drug and with this psychiatric condition?

No but I created a thread. Which showed 60+ side effects. Did you not see it ? It's a very powerful drug.

[Jane]

Agreed, god knows what would go through someone's mind in this situation, I feel though as a mother myself you would of had to kill me to get to my children I would of fought for them, why wasn't she in their room? Why did she run out and leave them? Unless she knew they were dead? Why were they still sleeping soundly with one still sucking their  thumb? (I get goosebumps writing that it's so horrendous), how on earth did they not wake up? There was shots being fired, and physical fights it would of been very loud. This bit Troubles me.

I've never been entirely certain that the picture that's been painted of "two sleeping angels" who never woke, to be the correct one -I'm a realist- but on the few occasions I've mentioned this, I've been jumped on from a great height for the suggestion that it was any other way. I understand that some people don't want to see it any other way.

[Lucy522]

Nugs you can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre. How do I know ? Because you haven't.

Sheila was on Haloperidol. She could not perform basic functions.

The relatives knew as they knew Sheila. Her best friend said a week before the massacre Sheila needed help getting off sofa's.

No Adam, if she couldn't get off the sofa how was she clothes shopping with the boys and June? Why was she left unsupervised with her children? How utterly careless would that be ?

[Lucy522]

I've never been entirely certain that the picture that's been painted of "two sleeping angels" who never woke, to be the correct one -I'm a realist- but on the few occasions I've mentioned this, I've been jumped on from a great height for the suggestion that it was any other way. I understand that some people don't want to see it any other way.

I know, these children didn't even stir during this massacre? Why not? My children would of been up and screaming their heads off (god forbid)

[Lucy522]

No but I created a thread. Which showed 60+ side effects. Did you not see it ? It's a very powerful drug.

Agreed, but how she's described is to conflicting and/or exaggerated

[guest2181]

Agreed, god knows what would go through someone's mind in this situation, I feel though as a mother myself you would of had to kill me to get to my children I would of fought for them, why wasn't she in their room? Why did she run out and leave them? Unless she knew they were dead? Why were they still sleeping soundly with one still sucking their  thumb? (I get goosebumps writing that it's so horrendous), how on earth did they not wake up? There was shots being fired, and physical fights it would of been very loud. This bit Troubles me.

You are right, it is horrendous, I guess having looked at this for so long I've gotten used too used to it, almost like reading about characters in a book.

The twins not waking up is odd. Perhaps they were the first victims?

[Adam]

No Adam, if she couldn't get off the sofa how was she clothes shopping with the boys and June? Why was she left unsupervised with her children? How utterly careless would that be ?

Shopping with the boys & June ? Source please. I have a source for the sofa.

Sheila couldn't perform basic functions. She was on Haloperidol. Committing an intense, physical, lengthy, complicated, emotional massacre was impossible. Even if fully fit as Nevill was up & awake.

[Jane]

But if her illness was under control why the need for it at all? Maybe June knew she was heading for another breakdown! Hence the conversation? Just a thought?.

It's possible that June was projecting. PERHAPS it was June who wasn't coping. Perhaps she was voicing her own fears. For a woman with her own mental frailties to cope with, having two small, boisterous boys and their lethargic mother to cope with, in the middle of harvest, upsetting the balance of her routine, would, I imagine, have been difficult.