Jeremy's assumptions about his sister's meds and relatives' opinions

[Roch]

If it was so obvious that Sheila was over-sedated and zombie-like; spilling baked beans and teaspoons of sugar etc. - why did Jeremy not realise that other people were also aware of this presentation; and would therefore question how she could have carried out the killings?

Why did Jeremy assume that his relatives would simply fall in to place and aquiesce in his assertion that Sheila was the killer due to her mental health?

He had known his cousins and uncle / aunty nearly all his life.  They had known him and also his sister since they were both tiny.  Why did he assume that his relatives would overlook Sheila's obvious zombie status?

[Steve_uk]

If it was so obvious that Sheila was over-sedated and zombie-like; spilling baked beans and teaspoons of sugar etc. - why did Jeremy not realise that other people were also aware of this presentation; and would therefore question how she could have carried out the killings?

Why did Jeremy assume that his relatives would simply fall in to place and aquiesce in his assertion that Sheila was the killer due to her mental health?

He had known his cousins and uncle / aunty nearly all his life.  They had known him and also his sister since they were both tiny.  Why did he assume that his relatives would overlook Sheila's obvious zombie status?

Because Sheila's illness was hush hush in the household, as Colin related in his book. The Bambers and the Boutflours didn't socialize as much as is thought anyway, though it was customary for Robert to call into White House Farm on Boxing Day for a sweet sherry.

[Caroline]

If it was so obvious that Sheila was over-sedated and zombie-like; spilling baked beans and teaspoons of sugar etc. - why did Jeremy not realise that other people were also aware of this presentation; and would therefore question how she could have carried out the killings?

Why did Jeremy assume that his relatives would simply fall in to place and aquiesce in his assertion that Sheila was the killer due to her mental health?

He had known his cousins and uncle / aunty nearly all his life.  They had known him and also his sister since they were both tiny.  Why did he assume that his relatives would overlook Sheila's obvious zombie status?

Sheila and Jeremy weren't that close to the relatives, there was quite an age gap and the relatives weren't fully informed of Sheila's illness. Jeremy could and did say what he liked - all the close family were dead so couldn't argue. Like any criminal, he thought he was cleverer - he wasn't.

[susan]

If it was so obvious that Sheila was over-sedated and zombie-like; spilling baked beans and teaspoons of sugar etc. - why did Jeremy not realise that other people were also aware of this presentation; and would therefore question how she could have carried out the killings?

Why did Jeremy assume that his relatives would simply fall in to place and aquiesce in his assertion that Sheila was the killer due to her mental health?

He had known his cousins and uncle / aunty nearly all his life.  They had known him and also his sister since they were both tiny.  Why did he assume that his relatives would overlook Sheila's obvious zombie status?

Roch the more I read the forum I have started to ask myself was Jeremy clever enough to plan and carry out the murders.  One would think if he was guilty he would have behaved quite differently.

[Roch]

Neither answer makes sense.

[Roch]

Roch the more I read the forum I have started to ask myself was Jeremy clever enough to plan and carry out the murders.  One would think if he was guilty he would have behaved quite differently.

Quite.  I realised this long ago!  I suspect you did too Susan. 

[Caroline]

Neither answer makes sense.

Neither does the notion of a medicated Sheila carry out the murders.

[Roch]

Neither does the notion of a medicated Sheila carry out the murders.

Then why would he attempt to frame her?  It's his nemesis who has claimed she couldn't perform this or that simple task - and as you say, the notion of her killing everyone doesn't make sense.  So why did it make sense for Jeremy and why did he rely on it making sense to others?

[nugnug]

If it was so obvious that Sheila was over-sedated and zombie-like; spilling baked beans and teaspoons of sugar etc. - why did Jeremy not realise that other people were also aware of this presentation; and would therefore question how she could have carried out the killings?

Why did Jeremy assume that his relatives would simply fall in to place and aquiesce in his assertion that Sheila was the killer due to her mental health?

He had known his cousins and uncle / aunty nearly all his life.  They had known him and also his sister since they were both tiny.  Why did he assume that his relatives would overlook Sheila's obvious zombie status?

thats a very good point id never thought of that.

[Roch]

thats a very good point id never thought of that.

Yes Nugs.  More questions than answers this Bamber guilty lark, isn't it?

[Caroline]

Then why would he attempt to frame her?  It's his nemesis who has claimed she couldn't perform this or that simple task - and as you say, the notion of her killing everyone doesn't make sense.  So why did it make sense for Jeremy and why did he rely on it making sense to others?

It's obvious why he would try to frame her because she had a history of mental health issues - she was a "nutter" remember?

[Steve_uk]

Then why would he attempt to frame her?  It's his nemesis who has claimed she couldn't perform this or that simple task - and as you say, the notion of her killing everyone doesn't make sense.  So why did it make sense for Jeremy and why did he rely on it making sense to others?

Because he got wind of the remark she made to June and Barbara Wilson round the breakfast table: "All people are bad and should be killed.". It was manna from heaven for Jeremy who had feigned interest in the Farm for his own evil purposes, but this interest only brought forth the offer from Nevill of farming Little Rentners Farm, done for the best of intentions but would just have entrapped his son in a lifestyle he had not chosen and felt no empathy for. Sheila had had a similar offer from June of managing an antiques shop in the locality, but again these were the parents' ideas of what would be suitable for their children and not the aspirations of individuals who had been spoiled, who didn't understand the value of money and through Nevill's long hours and June's illness never bonded fully with their parents.

[Roch]

Because he got wind of the remark she made to June and Barbara Wilson round the breakfast table: "All people are bad and should be killed.". It was manna from heaven for Jeremy who had feigned interest in the Farm for his own evil purposes, but this interest only brought forth the offer from Nevill of farming Little Rentners Farm, done for the best of intentions but would just have entrapped his son in a lifestyle he had not chosen and felt no empathy for. Sheila had had a similar offer from June of managing an antiques shop in the locality, but again these were the parents' ideas of what would be suitable for their children and not the aspirations of individuals who had been spoiled, who didn't understand the value of money and through Nevill's long hours and June's illness never bonded fully with their parents.

Sometimes I like the depth of your posts Steve, even though to me, they sometimes go off at a tangent .

[nugnug]

Sheila and Jeremy weren't that close to the relatives, there was quite an age gap and the relatives weren't fully informed of Sheila's illness. Jeremy could and did say what he liked - all the close family were dead so couldn't argue. Like any criminal, he thought he was cleverer - he wasn't.

o if there wernt close to her how could they know so much about the side effects of her medication you cant have it both ways.

[Steve_uk]

o if there wernt close to her how could they know so much about the side effects of her medication you cant have it both ways.

Didn't David and Anthony admit in Taff Jones' office that Sheila could have committed the crimes, effectively showing that they were ignorant of her illness after all.