History of scenarios on how Sheila committed the massacre.

[Jane]

Then what are EP afraid of now that they're not adhering to requests from hundreds ??
Yes,there ARE lessons to be learned on NOT to ACCUSE when they're wrong to do so !!

Let's hope you practice what you preach, then.

[Adam]

Then what are EP afraid of now that they're not adhering to requests from hundreds ??
Yes,there ARE lessons to be learned on NOT to ACCUSE when they're wrong to do so !!

This thread is to find a plausible scenario of how Sheila committed the massacre. Which matches the crime scene.

You've recently given bits of what you think happened. Saying Sheila put the silencer on, then took it off,  & Nevill thought upstairs rifle shots were warning shots. However we need a full scenario.

David has been working on his fifth scenario for the last 4 months. But there is no guarantee it will succeed this time.

[Roch]

Because it was staged that way.

Hi Caroline,

The evidence I'm referring to doesn't really have anything to do with whether or how or who staged Sheila.  That is to say - if it was Jeremy who staged Sheila, then he could only have staged her after she her-self had killed everyone (in accordance to the evidence I am referring to).

Where is it?

To some extent it is right in front of you (within this forum).  I have suggested that I pack-in posting. However, I was pm'd by several members and asked not to pack-in.  Believe me, it is as frustrating for me on here as it is for you.  I am reading total bullshit on here about how it must be Jeremy -  because of blah blah this or blah blah that. 

I agree but that's not why I believe he's guilty. Why would they frame him if they knew there was a call from Nevill?

You cannot be forced to accept the following notions:

(a) That circumstances occurred during the TFG operation which led police to be economical with the truth (in the belief that doing so harmed nobody else; and in addition, protected their own interests). 

(b) That in taking this course of action, the police inadvertently found themselves in a situation where they could not reverse or 'undo' their initial decisions. 

(c) That the fact police were made to change tack by different levels of intervention from relatives, is probably proof in itself, that the relatives did indeed have 'pull' with some police.  I mean, how do we quantify what represents 'pull'? And how would we evidence it?

Why did Jeremy accuse West of forging the time on the log from 03:26 to 03:36 and argue he called the police at this time but is not pushing the notion that he did call at 03:36 to fit in the call from Nevill?

Hi sorry, I don't really understand this bit.  However, the sequence of calls is not relevant to the evidence I refer to.  Having said that, once you understand the evidence I am referring to - you will come to understand that there could be some level of dishonesty on the part of the police, regarding the sequence of calls.

[buddy]

It has been a real mixed bag of scenario's from supporters over the years of how Sheila committed the massacre.

Thank you to Alias, Sherlock, Samson & Holly for you're detailed scenario's.

A special thank you to David who has created 4 amended scenario's & has been creating a fifth new version since last year,  which will include diagrams.

Me & other posters gave our feedback on all of them & will do to David's next one & all other new scenario's.

One thing guilters & the above supporters agree on is Nevill did not call the police.

Mike also gave an account. However Mike's version was a bit short, just saying 'by shooting them'. Hopefully Mike with all his knowledge will re submit soon.

Roch said last week that Sheila 'definately' committed the massacre. However only gave a very brief scenario, upon request. Which was disappointing.  Just saying Sheila 'shot them' & he could 'not explain' the phone calls.

Another irregular poster whose name I have forgotten submitted a scenario this year. However most of it did not match the crime scene.

Other supporters Nugs, Notsure, Gringo, Jackie & Buddy have never got involved in discussing how Sheila committed the massacre. But Lookout is now being more open. Saying Sheila put the silencer on & took it off & Nevill heard upstairs shots but thought Sheila was firing warning shots into the ceiling. Hopefully full scenarios will be forthcoming from these posters.

Former supporters also never submitted a scenario. Which will be a reason why there was a stance change. This does not include Susan who changes stance a lot but did say a few years ago she had an idea of how Sheila committed the massacre. We all look forward to discussing Susan's idea.

Supporters are very willing to discuss the alledged difficulties Bamber would have. So hopefully there will be some more scenarios produced on how Sheila did it. If something plausible is ever produced which matches the universally agreed crime scene,  it can be sent onto the Campaign Team.

Okay Adam You have been waiting with bated breath for my opinion. Well here it is.
Sheila was very ill when the discussion was taking place about the twins being fostered.
Her marriage had broken down, and custody of the twins had been given to Colin. In a way it was pointless discussing the fostering of the boys as it was not really an option.
Sheila never realised this, and thought no one is taking my kids away. She would have nothing.
She went to bed pondering her predicament, but never slept as her bed had not been disturbed.
She went downstairs and got the rifle and went to the boys room and shot them both in the head.
There is little noise from a 22 gun probably less than a cap gun, and with the thickness of whf would not be heard by a tired farmer. She went back downstairs and reloaded.
Sheila then went to her parents room and shot Ralph who leapt out of bed, and run downstairs to call Jeremy not knowing that Sheila had already killed her boys. Sheila then turned the gun on mother who had caused her so much grief.
Going back downstairs Sheila confronted Ralph and shot again and again he fell against the aga burning his back in two places.
Sheila went back upstairs again and shot herself, but was unsuccessful, and needed a second shot.
Apologies to Jane for punctuation as if the petty things matter.

[guest7363]

Okay Adam You have been waiting with bated breath for my opinion. Well here it is.
Sheila was very ill when the discussion was taking place about the twins being fostered.
Her marriage had broken down, and custody of the twins had been given to Colin. In a way it was pointless discussing the fostering of the boys as it was not really an option.
Sheila never realised this, and thought no one is taking my kids away. She would have nothing.
She went to bed pondering her predicament, but never slept as her bed had not been disturbed.
She went downstairs and got the rifle and went to the boys room and shot them both in the head.
There is little noise from a 22 gun probably less than a cap gun, and with the thickness of whf would not be heard by a tired farmer. She went back downstairs and reloaded.
Sheila then went to her parents room and shot Ralph who leapt out of bed, and run downstairs to call Jeremy not knowing that Sheila had already killed her boys. Sheila then turned the gun on mother who had caused her so much grief.
Going back downstairs Sheila confronted Ralph and shot again and again he fell against the aga burning his back in two places.
Sheila went back upstairs again and shot herself, but was unsuccessful, and needed a second shot.
Apologies to Jane for punctuation as if the petty things matter.

So Sheila shot Ralph before he phoned Jeremy?  He then ran down stairs to phone Jeremy leaving Sheila to shoot June?  Yeah right

[Jane]

Okay Adam You have been waiting with bated breath for my opinion. Well here it is.
Sheila was very ill when the discussion was taking place about the twins being fostered.
Her marriage had broken down, and custody of the twins had been given to Colin. In a way it was pointless discussing the fostering of the boys as it was not really an option.
Sheila never realised this, and thought no one is taking my kids away. She would have nothing.
She went to bed pondering her predicament, but never slept as her bed had not been disturbed.
She went downstairs and got the rifle and went to the boys room and shot them both in the head.
There is little noise from a 22 gun probably less than a cap gun, and with the thickness of whf would not be heard by a tired farmer. She went back downstairs and reloaded.
Sheila then went to her parents room and shot Ralph who leapt out of bed, and run downstairs to call Jeremy not knowing that Sheila had already killed her boys. Sheila then turned the gun on mother who had caused her so much grief.
Going back downstairs Sheila confronted Ralph and shot again and again he fell against the aga burning his back in two places.
Sheila went back upstairs again and shot herself, but was unsuccessful, and needed a second shot.
Apologies to Jane for punctuation as if the petty things matter.

So he ran downstairs, already hit. He knows Sheila is capable of using the gun, but leaves June to her mercy anyway, phones Jeremy to say that "Sheila has gone mad and got hold of the gun" but makes no mention of the fact that he's been hit OR that Sheila is still upstairs with a loaded gun and so are June and the boys. According to one story, he'd called the police before he phoned Jeremy.

[buddy]

So he ran downstairs, already hit. He knows Sheila is capable of using the gun, but leaves June to her mercy anyway, phones Jeremy to say that "Sheila has gone mad and got hold of the gun" but makes no mention of the fact that he's been hit OR that Sheila is still upstairs with a loaded gun and so are June and the boys. According to one story, he'd called the police before he phoned Jeremy.

Has anyone shot at you? Well I know what it feels like.

[Jane]

Has anyone shot at you? Well I know what it feels like.

Did you leave the shooter with your wife and grandchildren?

[Adam]

Okay Adam You have been waiting with bated breath for my opinion. Well here it is.
Sheila was very ill when the discussion was taking place about the twins being fostered.
Her marriage had broken down, and custody of the twins had been given to Colin. In a way it was pointless discussing the fostering of the boys as it was not really an option.
Sheila never realised this, and thought no one is taking my kids away. She would have nothing.
She went to bed pondering her predicament, but never slept as her bed had not been disturbed.
She went downstairs and got the rifle and went to the boys room and shot them both in the head.
There is little noise from a 22 gun probably less than a cap gun, and with the thickness of whf would not be heard by a tired farmer. She went back downstairs and reloaded.
Sheila then went to her parents room and shot Ralph who leapt out of bed, and run downstairs to call Jeremy not knowing that Sheila had already killed her boys. Sheila then turned the gun on mother who had caused her so much grief.
Going back downstairs Sheila confronted Ralph and shot again and again he fell against the aga burning his back in two places.
Sheila went back upstairs again and shot herself, but was unsuccessful, and needed a second shot.
Apologies to Jane for punctuation as if the petty things matter.

Thank you Buddy. As with other scenarios we won't include the Haloperidol side effects as a factor.

It's good that you agree with all the other posters that have submitted scenarios, that Nevill did not call the police.

We will have to assume there was a fostering conversation. Although the direct & indirect evidence from 5 people says there was not.

PB's WS said June told her Sheila was going to bed. At 10pm. If Sheila never slept in her bed, what was she doing between 10pm - 3am ?

I agree Nevill & June would not hear the rifle. If behind a wall and closed door in another room.

Nevill was shot 4 times upstairs and would have been unable to speak. As you said, he did not know the twins were already dead. So would have tried to protect himself, June & the twins upstairs. Rather than spend several minutes waiting for Bamber to perhaps answer the phone.

If Sheila had shot Nevill & June upstairs. She would not have any bullets left when she got downstairs.

Bamber agrees the burn marks were caused by a rifle end. Rather than Nevill falling against the aga.

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline,

The evidence I'm referring to doesn't really have anything to do with whether or how or who staged Sheila.  That is to say - if it was Jeremy who staged Sheila, then he could only have staged her after she her-self had killed everyone (in accordance to the evidence I am referring to).


To some extent it is right in front of you (within this forum).  I have suggested that I pack-in posting. However, I was pm'd by several members and asked not to pack-in.  Believe me, it is as frustrating for me on here as it is for you.  I am reading total bullshit on here about how it must be Jeremy -  because of blah blah this or blah blah that. 

You cannot be forced to accept the following notions:

(a) That circumstances occurred during the TFG operation which led police to be economical with the truth (in the belief that doing so harmed nobody else; and in addition, protected their own interests). 

(b) That in taking this course of action, the police inadvertently found themselves in a situation where they could not reverse or 'undo' their initial decisions. 

(c) That the fact police were made to change tack by different levels of intervention from relatives, is probably proof in itself, that the relatives did indeed have 'pull' with some police.  I mean, how do we quantify what represents 'pull'? And how would we evidence it?

Hi sorry, I don't really understand this bit.  However, the sequence of calls is not relevant to the evidence I refer to.  Having said that, once you understand the evidence I am referring to - you will come to understand that there could be some level of dishonesty on the part of the police, regarding the sequence of calls.

What evidence are you referring to? Your post is very unspecific Roch.

[Roch]

What evidence are you referring to? Your post is very unspecific Roch.

Yes and I'm conscious that I'm going to piss people off - which is really not what I want.  I'm pretty sure it's evidence that Mike and Hartley have argued hammer and tongs about quite some time ago. 

[susan]

Yes and I'm conscious that I'm going to piss people off - which is really not what I want.  I'm pretty sure it's evidence that Mike and Hartley have argued hammer and tongs about quite some time ago.

Hi Roch please put us out of our misery and share the evidence with us we wont be p****d off promise

[Caroline]

Yes and I'm conscious that I'm going to piss people off - which is really not what I want.  I'm pretty sure it's evidence that Mike and Hartley have argued hammer and tongs about quite some time ago.

Police shot Sheila??

[Adam]

I just hope Roch gives a more detailed scenario of how Sheila committed the massacre. Which is the purpose of this thread.

Saying Sheila 'definately committed the massacre' & justifying this statement by just saying Sheila 'shot them' & 'I can't explain the phone calls', is not enough.

[susan]

I just hope Roch gives a more detailed scenario of how Sheila committed the massacre. Which is the purpose of this thread.

Saying Sheila 'definately committed the massacre' & justifying this statement by just saying Sheila 'shot them' & 'I can't explain the phone calls', is not enough.

Hello Adam not been on the forum much of late so I have forgot your scenario of how Jeremy shot his family please refresh my mind by pointing me to the correct thread.  Thanks.