Author Topic: Prominent injustice campaigner Bob Woffinden changes his view to "guilty"  (Read 92655 times)

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Paul

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I'm assuming that Woffinden has had the article drafted for a while and was waiting for the CCRC to make its move. The real test will be the response to this over the coming week from Bamber's side. Similarly, will other media outlets run with it as it stands now?


John

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An excellent find Slaters!  +1


Bob Woffinden makes these points extremely well, i think it is worth repeating them...



The telephone that moved downstairs is the key to solving the White House Farm murders.

Why? Because the phone which was normally on Nevill Bamber’s bedside table was the principal obstacle to Jeremy Bamber’s hopes of fulfilling an ambition he had confided to Julie Mugford, his girlfriend: that of committing the perfect murder.

Someone in the house had only to call 999 and identify him as the gunman for his entire plan to be foiled. Once we recognise this it becomes possible to reconstruct events.

Bamber had developed an intense hatred of his family, in particular his ultra-strict mother. A few months earlier, as he would later admit to the police, he and Julie had burgled a caravan site the family owned, stealing £970 and making it look like an outside job.

For Bamber, however, this was only a beginning. He wanted the family fortune and devised a calculated scheme to get it. It involved killing not only his parents and his sister, but also the twins, who would otherwise inherit half the estate.

On the evening of the murders, he drove home from the farmhouse at around 10pm to his small cottage nearby in Goldhanger village. He returned on his mother’s bicycle. The first thing he did on entering the house was to take the kitchen phone off the hook. By doing this he disabled every phone in the house.

He would already have put on some kind of protective clothing, in all probability a wetsuit. If he showered in it afterwards, there would be no danger of his clothes being spattered with tell-tale bloodstains.

Taking his father’s rifle, whose ten-bullet magazine he had loaded earlier that evening, he crept upstairs. It seems almost certain that he shot the children first. He then crossed the landing to his parents’ bedroom.

This was where his plan began to go awry. Nevill, who had earlier confided in Barbara Wilson, the farm secretary, that he suspected Jeremy was planning to kill him, was woken by the noise. He would have tried to call the police from the bedside phone, then realised that a phone downstairs was off the hook.

So when Bamber came into the room, Nevill was at least partly ready for him. Although hit by four bullets, he avoided any lethal injury. Then, after Bamber wounded June, the gun clicked empty. Nevill seized the opportunity to go downstairs.

Bamber pursued him. At all costs, he had to stop his father reaching that phone and calling for help. There was no time to reload the gun. Instead Bamber, battered his father into unconsciousness with the rifle butt.

He then re-loaded, fired four bullets into Nevill’s face and head, and went back upstairs. Sheila had by now moved into her parents’ bedroom to tend to her wounded mother. Bamber shot June dead. Then came the really difficult task: shooting Sheila.

This time there had to be only one bullet, directed at such an angle that it would appear to be suicide. However, the bullet didn’t kill Sheila. He had to shoot her again — another potentially serious mistake.

To simulate a crazed attack he fired more bullets into the bodies of the twins. He then showered in his wetsuit and put clean clothes back on.

But he did have a major problem. What if investigators asked why Nevill or June hadn’t dialled 999 from the bedroom? And why Nevill’s body was in the kitchen? Bamber had to improvise. So he plugged the ivory bedroom phone into the kitchen socket — hastily hiding the kitchen phone under magazines.

For Bamber’s purposes, this would explain why Nevill was found downstairs. And it would provide an explanation as to what had happened to the phone everyone knew was usually next to Nevill’s bed.

There was still the anomaly of why the kitchen phone was not plugged into its usual socket — but Bamber thought he could argue it was not working. However, for quarter of a century, even though one police inquiry did address the issue, no one did unravel what had happened. If Bamber’s sister Sheila had killed her family in a psychotic episode before shooting herself, she would obviously not have re-arranged the telephones. That’s why the phone that moved is the final piece of evidence in the case for Bamber’s guilt.

There is, of course, one remaining question. Why did Bamber himself call the police? The answer is that this ensured they accepted his version of events. He primed them with the false information that Sheila was familiar with guns; he hid the fact that, because of her prescribed drugs, she had neither the strength nor co-ordination to re-load an automatic rifle, let alone defeat her 6ft 4in physically fit father in a fight."



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chochokeira

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An excellent find Slaters!  +1


Bob Woffinden makes these points extremely well, i think it is worth repeating them...



The telephone that moved downstairs is the key to solving the White House Farm murders.

Why? Because the phone which was normally on Nevill Bamber’s bedside table was the principal obstacle to Jeremy Bamber’s hopes of fulfilling an ambition he had confided to Julie Mugford, his girlfriend: that of committing the perfect murder.

Someone in the house had only to call 999 and identify him as the gunman for his entire plan to be foiled. Once we recognise this it becomes possible to reconstruct events.

Bamber had developed an intense hatred of his family, in particular his ultra-strict mother. A few months earlier, as he would later admit to the police, he and Julie had burgled a caravan site the family owned, stealing £970 and making it look like an outside job.

For Bamber, however, this was only a beginning. He wanted the family fortune and devised a calculated scheme to get it. It involved killing not only his parents and his sister, but also the twins, who would otherwise inherit half the estate.

On the evening of the murders, he drove home from the farmhouse at around 10pm to his small cottage nearby in Goldhanger village. He returned on his mother’s bicycle. The first thing he did on entering the house was to take the kitchen phone off the hook. By doing this he disabled every phone in the house.

He would already have put on some kind of protective clothing, in all probability a wetsuit. If he showered in it afterwards, there would be no danger of his clothes being spattered with tell-tale bloodstains.

Taking his father’s rifle, whose ten-bullet magazine he had loaded earlier that evening, he crept upstairs. It seems almost certain that he shot the children first. He then crossed the landing to his parents’ bedroom.

This was where his plan began to go awry. Nevill, who had earlier confided in Barbara Wilson, the farm secretary, that he suspected Jeremy was planning to kill him, was woken by the noise. He would have tried to call the police from the bedside phone, then realised that a phone downstairs was off the hook.

So when Bamber came into the room, Nevill was at least partly ready for him. Although hit by four bullets, he avoided any lethal injury. Then, after Bamber wounded June, the gun clicked empty. Nevill seized the opportunity to go downstairs.

Bamber pursued him. At all costs, he had to stop his father reaching that phone and calling for help. There was no time to reload the gun. Instead Bamber, battered his father into unconsciousness with the rifle butt.

He then re-loaded, fired four bullets into Nevill’s face and head, and went back upstairs. Sheila had by now moved into her parents’ bedroom to tend to her wounded mother. Bamber shot June dead. Then came the really difficult task: shooting Sheila.

This time there had to be only one bullet, directed at such an angle that it would appear to be suicide. However, the bullet didn’t kill Sheila. He had to shoot her again — another potentially serious mistake.

To simulate a crazed attack he fired more bullets into the bodies of the twins. He then showered in his wetsuit and put clean clothes back on.

But he did have a major problem. What if investigators asked why Nevill or June hadn’t dialled 999 from the bedroom? And why Nevill’s body was in the kitchen? Bamber had to improvise. So he plugged the ivory bedroom phone into the kitchen socket — hastily hiding the kitchen phone under magazines.

For Bamber’s purposes, this would explain why Nevill was found downstairs. And it would provide an explanation as to what had happened to the phone everyone knew was usually next to Nevill’s bed.

There was still the anomaly of why the kitchen phone was not plugged into its usual socket — but Bamber thought he could argue it was not working. However, for quarter of a century, even though one police inquiry did address the issue, no one did unravel what had happened. If Bamber’s sister Sheila had killed her family in a psychotic episode before shooting herself, she would obviously not have re-arranged the telephones. That’s why the phone that moved is the final piece of evidence in the case for Bamber’s guilt.

There is, of course, one remaining question. Why did Bamber himself call the police? The answer is that this ensured they accepted his version of events. He primed them with the false information that Sheila was familiar with guns; he hid the fact that, because of her prescribed drugs, she had neither the strength nor co-ordination to re-load an automatic rifle, let alone defeat her 6ft 4in physically fit father in a fight."



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Barbara Wilson's account seems more decisive for Woffinden to me. Am I correct in thinking that, in this article, she - assuming it was Wilson Woffinden spoke to and not some other person - has changed her account of what Nevill said to her?


chelmsey

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Hmmm..........interesting!  Im not entirely convinced that Ralph made his way to the kitchen to try to call 999 from the telephone there.He could have locked himself in the upstairs office and used that phone.After managing to get downstairs,I wonder why he didnt just go for the panic alarm he had installed ?

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Given the timing of this release with absolutely no new material, simply just more speculation one must question Woffinden’s motive and the completely inaccurate headline. If Jeremy was responsible for the murders, why could he have not simply took the Kitchen phone off the hook ? No need to rearrange the bedroom phone to the Kitchen and hide the original phone under magazines. For someone of Woffindens’s experience and knowledge in this case it is most unusual to indulge in such wild speculation.

CHRIS T

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All that is interesting about this article is that he has had a change of heart. I have come across his name before with regards to him believing in Jeremy's innocence, but who is Bob Woffinden, exactly. Does he have any legal background at all? What he is saying in this article is hardly proof of Jeremy's guilt, as far as i'm concerned, it is merely speculation.

andrea

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on which phone did june speak to pam boutflour on, on the night of murders?

ive got all confused again!! am i right in thinking 2 of the 4 phones in the house were out of use due to a lightning strike? that left the other 2, the dial type in the kitchen, where was the other?



was the other the one they found under a pile of magazines?
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Hartley

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on which phone did june speak to pam boutflour on, on the night of murders?

ive got all confused again!! am i right in thinking 2 of the 4 phones in the house were out of use due to a lightning strike? that left the other 2, the dial type in the kitchen, where was the other?



was the other the one they found under a pile of magazines?

There were 4 phones:

1- The phone in the upstairs office, found in the office still plugged in as normal.
2- A cordless phone in the kitchen, which had been sent off for repair two day previously.
3- Another chorded kitchen phone which was found concealed beneath magazines in the kitchen and unplugged.
4- The Master bedroom phone which was found in the kitchen plugged in but off the hook.


3 & 4 above may be the wrong way round.

Jackiepreece

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Re the current topic of this thread first I need to look into the person in question Bob.  I have no idea how he makes his living is it mainly as a writer?

Details of the article are not true as no evidence is new evidence

I am always shocked, amazed and puzzled why some people write articles.

Colin Caffell wrote his book and I am not sure if he made any money but for myself I wouldn't be able to write about such a personal tragedy  and if I was going to make any money out of something like that I would probably donate any proceeds to a charity that helps people like Sheila

Kate McCann has just written a book about Maddy but has included details of how Maddys disappearance affected her sex life with Gerry.   I can understand her writing the book but why mention something like that

Now we have the article by Bob at probably a moment when the story could come across as sensational article Bob changes his mind on Jeremy Bamber being innocent to now saying he is guilty

Was he paid for this article?

How much time was put into this latest investigation?

Had he been feeling left out compared to other people who support Jeremy i.e Scott Lomax, Eric Allison etc

It seems a lot of people fight to be 'Jeremys best friend' when in fact everyone should be trying to get to the truth of this case i.e. Release everything under PII

Perhaps  Bob thought he was going to be behind the 'Big Story' if Jeremy was released

Whatever anyone on here thinks about me I am always open to finding  out the truth even if it proves Jeremy is guilty

Shame on you Bob because you do not show sensational new evidence and I hope if you got paid for the article it was worth it and doesn't damage your credibility

clifford

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Re the current topic of this thread first I need to look into the person in question Bob.  I have no idea how he makes his living is it mainly as a writer?

Details of the article are not true as no evidence is new evidence

I am always shocked, amazed and puzzled why some people write articles.

Colin Caffell wrote his book and I am not sure if he made any money but for myself I wouldn't be able to write about such a personal tragedy  and if I was going to make any money out of something like that I would probably donate any proceeds to a charity that helps people like Sheila

Kate McCann has just written a book about Maddy but has included details of how Maddys disappearance affected her sex life with Gerry.   I can understand her writing the book but why mention something like that

Now we have the article by Bob at probably a moment when the story could come across as sensational article Bob changes his mind on Jeremy Bamber being innocent to now saying he is guilty

Was he paid for this article?

How much time was put into this latest investigation?

Had he been feeling left out compared to other people who support Jeremy i.e Scott Lomax, Eric Allison etc

It seems a lot of people fight to be 'Jeremys best friend' when in fact everyone should be trying to get to the truth of this case i.e. Release everything under PII

Perhaps  Bob thought he was going to be behind the 'Big Story' if Jeremy was released

Whatever anyone on here thinks about me I am always open to finding  out the truth even if it proves Jeremy is guilty

Shame on you Bob because you do not show sensational new evidence and I hope if you got paid for the article it was worth it and doesn't damage your credibility
I looked up Bob woffinden. Apparently he was born in 1948, and he was formerly a writer for The New Musical Express. He is now an investigatige journalist, looking at cases such as Hanratty and others including Jeremy bamber.

Jackiepreece

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I will be speaking to Bob later today unless he gives me the run around which I am sure he will.

How distasteful if he is another person in Jeremys life betrayed him for money

I want to know his views on PII especially in Jeremys case plus numerous other questions?

Why he sold out to the Daily Mail not the Guardian?

I wonder how much money he expects to get from ' solving this case' ?

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If Jeremy was responsible for the murders, why could he have not simply took the Kitchen phone off the hook ? No need to rearrange the bedroom phone to the Kitchen and hide the original phone under magazines.

I think you need to read Woffinden's article (again) - it explains this in detail. In fact it's the crux of the entire analysis of the phones!

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Im not entirely convinced that Ralph made his way to the kitchen to try to call 999 from the telephone there.He could have locked himself in the upstairs office and used that phone.
If JB took the kitchen phone off the hook that would prevent Ralph from using the phone extension in the upstairs office - isn't that what Woffinden says in his article?

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Isn't it more interesting that Barbara Wilson was so distraught after the murders because Neville had confided in her? A shame she could not be a witness as surely no-one on here would suspect her of somehow trying to set Bamber up along with the rest of your suspects?I am pretty sure she wasn't likely to iinherit anything!!!