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[Jane]

Rather it was Sheila who hadn't shown respect by shooting them all !!

But Sheila didn't coz Sheila couldn't coz whilst I don't believe her to have been as 'coshed' as Adam would have us believe, I don't believe her to have been possessed of the mental energy necessary.

[David1819]

I have seen the pdfs of her writing which look genuine.
Is there some proof/common knowledge they are retrospective?
I come from the position it is scientifically impossible for JB to be at the crime scene in every way to Rome, settled.
Therefore I am trying to understand Mugford as a case study.

The "Diary" is written by Julie. I am not disputing that.

It is written in retrospect (as to look back on what has happened) combined with all the false information given to her by either the relatives or Stan Jones. We know this because not only is that information wrong and inconsistent with the crime scene. It can be traced back to those individuals.

Overall its an attempt to make Julie seem a more credible witness. But under close scrutiny it backfires.

[lookout]

But Sheila didn't coz Sheila couldn't coz whilst I don't believe her to have been as 'coshed' as Adam would have us believe, I don't believe her to have been possessed of the mental energy necessary.

Adam was correct in saying that she hadn't been as " coshed " as others make out,therefore her mental energy/physical would have been beyond high. Severe enough to have carried out the killings.Sheila had SNAPPED ! People DO snap,but aren't necessarily mentally impaired,drugged and certainly not suffering the effects of over-dosing.

[Jane]

Adam was correct in saying that she hadn't been as " coshed " as others make out,therefore her mental energy/physical would have been beyond high. Severe enough to have carried out the killings.Sheila had SNAPPED ! People DO snap,but aren't necessarily mentally impaired,drugged and certainly not suffering the effects of over-dosing.

GET REAL, Lookout!! You're making this up as you go. Someone who's OVERsedated, ISN'T going to be mentally alert. I suggest you go take a nursing refresher course, OR take a course on mental nursing.

[lookout]

GET REAL, Lookout!! You're making this up as you go. Someone who's OVERsedated, ISN'T going to be mentally alert. I suggest you go take a nursing refresher course, OR take a course on mental nursing.

Funny how I'm suddenly " making things up " when I give out facts. What would you have if it wasn't for " over-sedated " ? Dear me,whatever next ?
I certainly don't need more training/exams thank you very much,but perhaps you should attend a day centre for your aggression !!

[Jane]

Funny how I'm suddenly " making things up " when I give out facts. What would you have if it wasn't for " over-sedated " ? Dear me,whatever next ?
I certainly don't need more training/exams thank you very much,but perhaps you should attend a day centre for your aggression !!

Remind us of the year you trained, Lookout. As for the "facts" you allege you "give out", I don't see ANY of what you've just given out as being factual as you weren't there. What IS real is that people DO snap. NONE of Sheila's behaviours suggest that she did.

[lookout]

Remind us of the year you trained, Lookout. As for the "facts" you allege you "give out", I don't see ANY of what you've just given out as being factual as you weren't there. What IS real is that people DO snap. NONE of Sheila's behaviours suggest that she did.

Sheila's behaviour latterly was " all over the place "-------unpredictable,one minute okay,then such as with Freddie,manic. That's how Sheila was !! I maintain that she had snapped !

[Samson]

The "Diary" is written by Julie. I am not disputing that.

It is written in retrospect (as to look back on what has happened) combined with all the false information given to her by either the relatives or Stan Jones. We know this because not only is that information wrong and inconsistent with the crime scene. It can be traced back to those individuals.

Overall its an attempt to make Julie seem a more credible witness. But under close scrutiny it backfires.

This seems plausible. However is there evidence other than inferred evidence she wrote these entries retrospectively? If there is simple proof, you can go directly to the media with this. Maurice Drake relied in Mugford and/or the silencer to instruct the jury to a guilty verdict. If these diaries are fake in this manner it is the worst deception in the case that I have seen outside the obvious issue with the scratched mantlepiece happening after the killings.

[Jane]

Sheila's behaviour latterly was " all over the place "-------unpredictable,one minute okay,then such as with Freddie,manic. That's how Sheila was !! I maintain that she had snapped !

As I say, Lookout. Remind us of the year you trained.

[Samson]

Sheila's behaviour latterly was " all over the place "-------unpredictable,one minute okay,then such as with Freddie,manic. That's how Sheila was !! I maintain that she had snapped !

I'm glad you mention Freddie. Consider how this passage from CAL shines clear light.

"With detectives at Witham leading the investigation, Freddie Emami was driven to the police station there for an interview. He acknowledged that Sheila had had ‘a very quick and violent temper which she would lose over the simplest of things’ but had never seen her use physical violence towards anyone. He ended his statement: ‘Had it just been her [adoptive] mother who had been killed I could accept it, as she disliked her intensely"

June was the one she shot first, then everything followed like dominos toppling. Nevill. Then the kids. Then Sheila. This I believe, no grand plan at all.

[Jane]

This seems plausible. However is there evidence other than inferred evidence she wrote these entries retrospectively? If there is simple proof, you can go directly to the media with this. Maurice Drake relied in Mugford and/or the silencer to instruct the jury to a guilty verdict. If these diaries are fake in this manner it is the worst deception in the case that I have seen outside the obvious issue with the scratched mantlepiece happening after the killings.

God, this has been discussed sooo many times!! YES, I, too, believed they were real until I saw that the first entry, about something which took place in August was written on January 2nd!!! She didn't use it as a diary. She used it -possibly it was suggested to her- to keep notes. As it was never meant to BE a diary -rather a notebook- it can't be said to be fake. Julie wasn't stupid. No way would she have written about an August occurrance as happening in January.....................unless you wish to say she was psychic?

[Jane]

I'm glad you mention Freddie. Consider how this passage from CAL shines clear light.

With detectives at Witham leading the investigation, Freddie Emami was driven to the police station there for an interview. He acknowledged that Sheila had had ‘a very quick and violent temper which she would lose over the simplest of things’ but had never seen her use physical violence towards anyone. He ended his statement: ‘Had it just been her [adoptive] mother who had been killed I could accept it, as she disliked her intensely

EXACTLY!!! She'd NEVER, despite Lookout saying that she broke her husband's sculpture which makes her violent, directed violence to anyone save her own person.

[lookout]

As I say, Lookout. Remind us of the year you trained.

I trained in the late50's/ 60's and 70's,but never stopped training in the 80's and into the 90's. So a life-time of learning to both make comparisons and to also bring me up to date.
Whiston hospital--Rainhill hospital ( asylum ), (Mill lane medical and Highfield maternity combined ),then Arrowe park hospital. Experience counts for a lot.

[Samson]

God, this has been discussed sooo many times!! YES, I, too, believed they were real until I saw that the first entry, about something which took place in August was written on January 2nd!!! She didn't use it as a diary. She used it -possibly it was suggested to her- to keep notes. As it was never meant to BE a diary -rather a notebook- it can't be said to be fake. Julie wasn't stupid. No way would she have written about an August occurrance as happening in January.....................unless you wish to say she was psychic?

I did expect an explanation I must say, thank you for confirming it. So Mugford is far worse than I thought, thank you. I can't believe you are taken in by this whole hoax Jane.

[Samson]

EXACTLY!!! She'd NEVER, despite Lookout saying that she broke her husband's sculpture which makes her violent, directed violence to anyone save her own person.

She had a motive and opportunity that evening. JB had neither, he was in Goldhanger. He remains a complete stranger to violence to this day according to the official record either side of this crime.