Why didn't Nevill leave WHF's front door ajar for Bamber & co ?

[Steve_uk]

   How does he "obviously" have time for all of this?

It's still a good point Adam makes, especially as some doubters have said Nevill was downstairs at the start of the shooting.

[Adam]

   How does he "obviously" have time for all of this?

Well there was a 16 minute gap between Nevill ringing Bamber & the police. It doesn't take 16 minutes for Nevill to unbolt & leave the front door ajar for Bamber & the police. It would take 10 seconds. .

If you don't believe Nevill rang the police, he still had minutes or hours to decide to leave the front door ajar prior to ringing Bamber. It would have taken several minutes to ring Bamber as he was sleeping 'like a log'. Unbolting the front door would only take 10 seconds.

Nevill only saying 11 words to Bamber over the phone before the line went dead suggests Nevill had less time after this phone call. Providing you believe he didn't phone the police 16 minutes later. But being downstairs when ringing Bamber, there is still a possibility he had 10 seconds available.

[Reader]

It's interesting that the policeman who is reporting said he will say what he knows but won't speculate.

As distinct from what?

[mike tesko]

The front door was locked from inside. Bamber & the police didn't have a front door key anyway. So not much point in Nevill ringing both if neither can enter. incorrect, according to relatives there was always a key kept in an out building! However, although this was true, somebody applied two bolts on the rear farmhouse door! A key was inserted in the lock on the inside of the rear farmhouse door but it is not known whether the door itself was locked by these means! All we know is that the key was in the lock, and that two bolts were keeping the door from being opened! We know that there were several blows with a sledge hammer to this door because it is reported as such in the police radio message logs! Several loud bangs and voices that were heard via the telephone eavesdropping set up by the operator! Voices which reported the following, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found in kitchen upon entry' (7.37am). There were voices, as recorded! Why would armed officers be talking if they were supposed to be entering a dangerous environment where they suspected someone who had access to several firearms and all manner of ammunitions was lurking at any turn these brave police officers might take once the back door of the farmhouse was caved in? There were voices because there was a confrontation right there in the kitchen, a confrontation involving PS Woodcock and Sheila Caffell! Sheila grabbed a hold of Woodcocks gun barrel as he came into the kitchen! At the time this occurred the muzzle end of Woodcocks police issue rifle was pointing toward the outside wall of the kitchen! This was because the internal kitchen door through which Woodcock was trying to enter the kitchen was from his vantage point hinged on the left, but which from Sheila's perspective inside the kitchen itself was hinged on the right!! Cops won't release the 'official report' concerning this shooting incident in the kitchen but I have been told about its contents! In the aforementioned. Report the officer concerned, seeks to explain how he had 'no control' over the direction in which the muzzle end of his rifle was pointing when he tried to 'come around' the opening edge of the internal kitchen door! It was always pointing away from any potential target!  'I agree with Woodcock', there a no way on the devils earth that he could have trained his weapon on somebody on the other side of that internal door! I am with him, from his perspective the internal kitchen door through which he was trying to negotiate, opened inward, into the kitchen itself, it was a door which was hinged on its left hand side! The edge of that door prevented Woodcock from training the muzzle end of his operational rifle, on any target beyond, or on the other side of 'that' door!  From where Woodcock was standing, the opening edge of that door would have swung open left to right! He could not have got a shot off at Sheila even though he might have wanted to!!

There is no doubt, whatsoever, in this matter, Woodcock did not voluntarily shoot Sheila Caffell across the throat! She grappled with the barrel end of Woodcocks rifle, she pulled it into her own neck/throat as Woodcock attempted to enter the kitchen! That sudden movement where Sheila 'tugged at' the barrel of 'that' rifle, involuntarily caused the trigger finger of Woodcock to activate the trigger of his weapon! I am satisfied that this was what did occur! By these means, Sheila got shot in the kitchen - the contents of the officers report about the shooting Incident in the kitchen (refers)! Woodcock claims in this officers report that Sheila attempted to commit suicide! I am with Woodcock' n that respect!

They won't release this information because to do so, will and does mean, that 'unfortunately' mean that Jeremy Bamber had 'not' shot his sister!!

[mike tesko]

Front door to farmhouse may have been unlocked!

[mike tesko]

Front door to farmhouse may have been unlocked!

Let's get the facts right!

One of the firearm officers who entered the farmhouse, opened the front door to the farmhouse as a possible means of escape before firearm officers began their approach up the main stairs!

For all anybody knows Neville Bamber could have (did) unlock this door for the police and Jeremy to enter once they arrived!!!

[mike tesko]

Let's get the facts right!

One of the firearm officers who entered the farmhouse, opened the front door to the farmhouse as a possible means of escape before firearm officers began their approach up the main stairs!

For all anybody knows Neville Bamber could have (did) unlock this door for the police and Jeremy to enter once they arrived!!!

Please provide any evidence to contradict this fact!!!

[Jane]

As distinct from what?

As distinct from the amount of speculation which occurred at WHF. Perhaps lessons were learned. Perhaps WHF became the held up example of "How Not To.................."

[mike tesko]

The truth always prevails - it doesn't matter what lies are introduced regarding anything, that is false, the truth will always shine through! Front door to farmhouse could have been unlocked by Neville Bamber, as intimated by the creation of this thread!!

Prove otherwise, please...

[mike tesko]

As distinct from the amount of speculation which occurred at WHF. Perhaps lessons were learned. Perhaps WHF became the held up example of "How Not To.................."

Ok, let's say cop shot Sheila because the barrel of his rifle, or pea shooter, was never in his control (always pointing away from a potential target)! Let's agree with the content of the 'undisclosed' officers report! Sheila tried to commit suicide'! Lessons learned?

Think!!!

[mike tesko]

So, what we have, ladies and gentlemen, is ' a suicide', right there at the beginning, right after the firearm officers caved the door to the farmhouse in...

Sheila pulling the barrel of Woodcocks rifle toward her own neck, as he was trying to enter the kitchen!!

I am with Woodcock', I do not imply that he deliberately shot Sheila! If he had done, he would have been justified in doing so, because by that stage she had fired 23 bullets killing four members of her own family!!

The first shot across Sheila's throat was accidental involving circumstances beyond the control of PS Woodcock! The struggle between the two (Woodcock and Sheila) spilled into the kitchen. The voices 'overheard' (refer police log), were the voices of Woodcock and Sheila engaged in that struggle!!

[Jane]

The truth always prevails - it doesn't matter what lies are introduced regarding anything, that is false, the truth will always shine through! Front door to farmhouse could have been unlocked by Neville Bamber, as intimated by the creation of this thread!!

Prove otherwise, please...

Can it be proved that Jeremy didn't, at some point, subdue Sheila further, by placing something over her mouth impregnated with an anaesthetic agent?

[mike tesko]

Can it be proved that Jeremy didn't, at some point, subdue Sheila further, by placing something over her mouth impregnated with an anaesthetic agent?

Yes, it can be proved!

I have spoken personally with hundreds of convicted people during my incarceration, many of whom admitted their guilt (to me) and were sentenced accordingly! Others, like Bamber have denied responsibility for crimes they were convicted of!!!

Let's just deal with the cases where prisoners have always denied culpability of the crimes they were convicted of!

80% of these cases, I discovered that evidence used to prosecute these people, had been fabricated!!!

[mike tesko]

My approach in all such cases, has been - ' I can't help you unless you tell me the truth' (as known by you)!!

[mike tesko]

My approach in all such cases, has been - ' I can't help you unless you tell me the truth' (as known by you)!!

Let's deal with this 80% of cases where the vast majority involved prisoners who to some extent or another admitted involvement (to me) in the crimes they were ultimately convicted of...

I found examples of police corruption in many of these cases!!