Was the gun silencer fitted to to anshuzt when resting at main bedroom window?

[mike tesko]

Stan Jones did help to frame Jeremy Bamber for these murders!

But it wasn't Stan Jones decision to stage Sheila's body with the rifle from the main bedroom window, he didn't have anything to do with that, other than he saw Sheila's and June's bodies on top of the bed before he left the scene in the first instance to go with DC Clark to Jeremy's cottage! Upon arriving there and meeting Ann Eaton, they told her that Neville Bambers body had been found downstairs in the kitchen, and that Sheila and Junes bodies were on the bed side by side, and a rifle laid upon the bed between them both, with a Bible on Sheila's chest! Jones and Clark would not have told Ann Eaton this, if they had not themselves seen the two bodies on top of the bed before they had left the scene for the first time that morning (remember Stan Jones returned to the scene that same morning to seize the four exhibits including the silencer SBJ/1)! Stan Jones states in one of his statements that when he saw Sheila's body for the first time, how she looked so peaceful as though she was just sleeping! Well, when he saw Sheila's body she had only been shot once! There was not a second bullet wound in her throat by that stage! There was not all the blood which is depicted in the photographs that were taken much later! She only had one bullet wound when Jones and Clark saw her body on the bed!

Stan Jones helped the relatives frame Jeremy Bamber with use of the silencer, and ballistics! How can his signature which is present on several 'General Examination Records' at the lab' be explained, or even justified, unless he had direct involvement with some of the batch of crime scene ammunition? So, yes, Stan Jones aided the relatives and helped them to secure financial rewards by way of Mabel Speakmans, and the Bamber estates, by going along with the false story that David Boutflour had found the only silencer in the case, the one he found in the gun cupboard on Saturday, 10 August 1985. When if the truth be known, Stan had seized it (SBJ/1) from the scene during the first morning of the police investigation, and returned it to the gun cupboard on evening prior to Boutflour re-finding it!

David Boutflour would later tell Anthony Pargeter that cops had given the silencer back to the family, a fact which Pargeter alludes to in one of his witness statements, but a fact which David Boutflour denies ever telling him! This suggests to me that the relatives had been forwarded by Stan Jones not to mention anything about him seizing the silencer (SBJ/1) on the first morning of the investigation, because otherwise the silencer evidence introduced by the relatives would be excluded as unreliable and tainted evidence!!

Let us also remember the influence that Stan Jones had over Julie Mugford, and the typed composite witness statements he created in her name?

[mike tesko]

I have come to realise that it does matter what 'mindset' a police officer has, as to whether he seized evidence, or paraphrases a witnesses statement! DS Stan Jones had a mindset right from the beginning which was 'disturbed'...

[mike tesko]

I have come to realise that it does matter what 'mindset' a police officer has, as to whether he seized evidence, or paraphrases a witnesses statement! DS Stan Jones had a mindset right from the beginning which was 'disturbed'...

His mindset was disturbed, because of the fact that during the first days and weeks of the police investigation, his boss and other senior officers who attended the incident sought to keep him and other officers in the dark regarding what had taken place, and how they had set about presenting the facts at the Coroner's court! Remember this, please...

Stan Jones visited the main bedroom twice on that first morning of the police investigation - on the first occasion the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber were laid on top of the bed! Sheila on the left of the teddy bear, June on the right! A rifle laid on the bed between both of their bodies! A Bible on Sheila's chest! Sheila had only been shot once! Stan Jones described her as looking so peaceful in death, as though she had just been sleeping! (She may have still been alive at this time)!! Then Stan Jones returned back to the scene just before dinner time and saw the two bodies of June and Sheila! June on the floor by the door, and Sheila laid on the floor alongside the edge of the bed! By this stage Sheila had got an additional bullet wound beneath her chin, blood had run from the corners of her mouth, blood had run from one of her nostrils! Blood had pooled in her left eye! Blood had run diagonally across her neck from the additional soundly There was a huge triangular bloodstain on the upper right of her Nightdress! There was what appeared to be bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right of her light blue Nightdress! None of these had been visible on Sheila when he had viewed her body! And now, the rifle which had been laid on the bed between June and Sheila was resting against the main bedroom window!

He must have pondered, 'what the hell happenned after he had left the scene' in the first instance!

[orb9999]

Are these the reasons that Taff Jones always said that JB was innocent? Did he know what had actually happened here? How many of members of the police force would have been involved in this cover up? Hard to believe that they have all kept silent about it for over 30 years.

[mike tesko]

His mindset was disturbed, because of the fact that during the first days and weeks of the police investigation, his boss and other senior officers who attended the incident sought to keep him and other officers in the dark regarding what had taken place, and how they had set about presenting the facts at the Coroner's court! Remember this, please...

Stan Jones visited the main bedroom twice on that first morning of the police investigation - on the first occasion the bodies of Sheila and June Bamber were laid on top of the bed! Sheila on the left of the teddy bear, June on the right! A rifle laid on the bed between both of their bodies! A Bible on Sheila's chest! Sheila had only been shot once! Stan Jones described her as looking so peaceful in death, as though she had just been sleeping! (She may have still been alive at this time)!! Then Stan Jones returned back to the scene just before dinner time and saw the two bodies of June and Sheila! June on the floor by the door, and Sheila laid on the floor alongside the edge of the bed! By this stage Sheila had got an additional bullet wound beneath her chin, blood had run from the corners of her mouth, blood had run from one of her nostrils! Blood had pooled in her left eye! Blood had run diagonally across her neck from the additional soundly There was a huge triangular bloodstain on the upper right of her Nightdress! There was what appeared to be bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right of her light blue Nightdress! None of these had been visible on Sheila when he had viewed her body! And now, the rifle which had been laid on the bed between June and Sheila was resting against the main bedroom window!

He must have pondered, 'what the hell happenned after he had left the scene' in the first instance!

Two days later, his boss gave him the silencer (SBJ/1) back and told him to slip it into the gun cupboard whilst they were showing the Eaton's around the farmhouse when they gave them the keys back! Silencer wasn't needed because it was agreed that Sheila had shot herself with the rifle, after shooting dead the other four!

[mike tesko]

Are these the reasons that Taff Jones always said that JB was innocent? Did he know what had actually happened here? How many of members of the police force would have been involved in this cover up? Hard to believe that they have all kept silent about it for over 30 years.

They have not kept silent about it, that's just it!

The vast majority of the 6/8 man raid party which were the first armed officers to enter the farmhouse, have all been granted immunity from prosecution for allowing their names to be used in edited composite typed witness statements made in their names by other officers where it falsely states that they found only the body of Neville Bamber downstairs in the kitchen, and four bodies upstairs! This presentation is a falsehood! They originally were confronted by Sheila as they tried to enter the kitchen, and she got shot! They thought she had been killed, and reported two dead bodies in the kitchen upon entry! An officers report exists regarding this shooting incident! In that report it is being argued that Sheila pulled the muzzle of the police weapon into towards her throat at the time the shot got discharged! It states that the sudden thrust of the barrel into towards her throat inadvertently caused the trigger to be activated involuntarily - hence why her death was reported by 7.45am, as a suicide! Many of the original 6/8 officers who first entered the main bedroom allowed typed composite statements to be created falsely stating that Sheila's body had been found on the main bedroom floor in possession of the rifle! It is all a pack of lies!!!

Ann Eaton and the other relatives spoke to Stan Jones about Sheila's body having been moved from on the bed, to the floor!

They reminded him that he had told Anne and the others, on the first morning of the shootings, that he had seen Sheila's and June Bambers bodies laid on the bed side by side, with the rifle in-between their bodies, and a Bible on Sheila's chest! They wanted to know how June's and Sheila's bodies had ended up on the bedroom floor either side of the bed, and how the rifle had ended up in Sheila's possession!!!

Stan Jones was caught between a rock and a hard place!!!

At first he was helpless to explain to the relatives! Stan Jones felt like he was in the firing line, over something he could not answer about! Senior officers initially froze him out of the loop! But when it became obvious that Stan Jones was not going to keep quiet about the matter, they had to divulge the truth eventually!

[lookout]

So it was SJ who'd told AE that both women were found on top of the bed ?
This is per AE's statement but she hadn't named the officer who'd told her.

[Caroline]

So it was SJ who'd told AE that both women were found on top of the bed ?
This is per AE's statement but she hadn't named the officer who'd told her.

"On top"? Where?

[lookout]

"On top"? Where?

ON TOP OF THE BED.Oh dear do I have to spell it out for you ? Read her statement,it's there 

[mike tesko]

So it was SJ who'd told AE that both women were found on top of the bed ?
This is per AE's statement but she hadn't named the officer who'd told her.

In fairness, Stan Jones and Mick Clark told Ann Eaton That the bodies of Sheila and June were found 'on the bed', laid side by side to one another, with 'the rifle on the bed inbetween both bodies', and 'a bible on top of Sheila's chest'. Yes, Stan Jones was involved, and Ann Eaton knows its was him! She refrained from naming him because it was this very evidence which the relatives used and relied upon as leverage to get Essex police on board mid to late September 1985, to help them to 'frame Jeremy Bamber' as the killer!!

Ann Eaton knows full well that Mick Clark and Stan Jones had seen the two bodies on the bed with the rifle between them, and a bible on Sheila's chest!!!

Fact, not fiction...

[mike tesko]

I have previously referred to the silencer which David Boutflour found in the cupboard on 10th August 1985, as exhibit 'SJ/1' and 'DB/1'...

[lookout]

Well being that guilters believe in what AE had stated,it's plain to see that she'd repeated what she'd been told by an officer ( whose name had slipped her mind,koff ) that both women were found on top of the bed.

[mike tesko]

I have previously referred to the silencer which David Boutflour found in the cupboard on 10th August 1985, as exhibit 'SJ/1' and 'DB/1'...

Only one of these exhibit references relate to that silencer!

The other, was the exhibit reference which Essex police gave to the 'flake of blood' (DB/1), which David Boutflour confessed to the COLP investigators, he had scraped off the silencer using a razor blade!!!

[mike tesko]

Only one of these exhibit references relate to that silencer!

The other, was the exhibit reference which Essex police gave to the flake of blood, which David Boutflour confessed to the COLP investigators, he had scraped off the silencer using a razor blade!!!

By 12th September 1975, the 'flake', had already been received at the lab'!!!

The flake, therefore had to be exhibit 'DB/1', which was sent to the lab' on or by 30th August 1985 (not the silencer)!

[mike tesko]

By 12th September 1975, the 'flake', had already been received at the lab'!!!

The flake, therefore had to be exhibit 'DB/1', which was sent to the lab' on or by 30th August 1985 (not the silencer)!

Flake (DB/1) was made into a solution (12 September, 1985), and separated into 5 different pots, and each pot tested for specific blood group activity, in 12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985! The silencer (SJ/1) submitted to the lab' on 20th September, 1985, to 'be checked for blood and fibres'...

Bingo!!!