Was the gun silencer fitted to to anshuzt when resting at main bedroom window?

[lookout]

Didn't Bamber take to silencer off after shooting everyone. Then put it away ? This was the reason the gun on Sheila didn't have a silencer on.

Explain what it was doing in the window ? JB was outside,don't forget.

[Adam]

Explain what it was doing in the window ? JB was outside,don't forget.

No one knows if it's the murder weapon.

If it was the murder weapon, it was moved after the pictures of Sheila had been taken. Unless Sheila shot herself twice & then put the rifle into another room before laying down to die.

[lookout]

No one knows if it's the murder weapon.

If it was the murder weapon, it was moved after the pictures of Sheila had been taken. Unless Sheila shot herself twice & then put the rifle into another room before laying down to die.

So there were two rifles ? Where was the other one ?

[David1819]

Didn't Bamber take to silencer off after shooting everyone. Then put it away ? This was the reason the gun on Sheila didn't have a silencer on.

No. The silencer was inside the gun cupboard the entire night.

[mike tesko]

I have been reliably informed that when cops brought the anshuzt rifle from its original location against the first floor box room window to Sheila's body, after her body had been moved from on top of the bed in that bedroom, brought there as part of 'informatives', where cops were wanting to see if they could account for the only shot to her neck at that stage by claiming that she had shot herself with that rifle (the first shot was from a police weapon in kitchen)! However, it proved that with the silencer fitted to the barrell of the rifle that the distance between the muzzle end of the silencer and the trigger mechanism of the gun was greater than the distance between the position of the solitary entry wound upon Sheila's neck and her extended right arm with trigger finger outstretched!!

This discovery was disheartening to the officers who were huddled around Sheila's body on the bedroom floor! One of them argued that he thought it might be possible at a push to 'squeeze the weapon into the aforementioned gap' so that Sheila could be said to have self inflicted that single shot to herself! The officer in question carelessly repositioned the anshuzt rifle with its silencer attached on her body and arranged the fingers of her right hand in the region of the trigger mechanism! At the time the muzzle end of the silencer was resting under Sheila's chin, about a couple of inches or so, above the solitary bullet wound on her neck at that stage!

Bang!!!

Second shot got inflicted! The path of the bullet traveling up through the base of Sheila's mouth, up through the roof of her mouth, and depositing itself in her brain!

If she hadn't been already dead, she was by the time this second shot had got inflicted! The pathologistgist (Peter Venezis) would conclude that once this shot had been received death would almost certainly have been instantaneously!!

The silencer was fitted to the anshuzt rifle that morning!

This can be proven because DS 'Stan' Jones seized it (SBJ/1) that morning after returning to the scene before dinner time to recover 'it', and three other exhibits, SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4! Cook made witness statements and he testified that no-one other than himself, Bird, Davidson, and Hammersley (SOCO) were allowed inside the farmhouse until they had completed their work, but in the hand written logs of the scene, DS Jones returned to the house and seized the aforementioned exhibits! When interviewed by COLP Stan Jones had to be reminded about him having left Jeremy's controversial to back to the farmhouse! When they asked him why, Stan Jones said he had completely forgotten about the matter and could not remember why he had returned to the farmhouse, or what he did whilst he was there!!

Well, he returned to the scene that morning within an hour or more of having left there to go with DC Clark and Jeremy to his cottage! He went back to the farmhouse, and he took possession of four 'SBJ' exhibits, one of which was the silencer 'SBJ/1'...

He later handed the silencer 'SBJ/1' to his boss, DCI 'Taff' Jones, who kept 'it' on his desk until evening of 9th August 1985, at which point it was taken back to the farmhouse and placed inside the gun cupboard - the opportunity to do this arose when Jones and Jones handed the keys to the farmhouse back to Ann and Peter Eaton on that same evening!

[mike tesko]

No one knows if it's the murder weapon.

If it was the murder weapon, it was moved after the pictures of Sheila had been taken. Unless Sheila shot herself twice & then put the rifle into another room before laying down to die.

The rifle in the photograph (number 23) was the same rifle according to DI 'Ron' Cook, and PC 'David' Bird who testified about the matter during the trial! Dealing with Cook first he told the court that he himself had removed the rifle from Sheila's body and placed it against that window once PC Bird had finished taking all the other photographs of the rifle in Sheila's possession! Now, all the photographs taken of Sheila in possession of the rifle are numbered 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33! These details were not told to the court which tried the matter, since all that was said about it was that PC Bird had took all the photo's which showed Sheila in possession of that rifle before he had taken photograph 23 showing the rifle at the main bedroom window! PC Bird simply said that he did not see who had placed the rifle in question at that bedroom window!

Both Cook and Bird described how PC Bird had supposedly taken sequences of photographs which served to mask the truth - for example, PC Bird took photographs of the gun with Sheila in the bedroom, he then left the bedroom and went onto the middle landing of the main stairs and took photograph number 23, photographed the top landing and bathroom, he said, before returning to the main bedroom to photograph Sheila's feet!

Well, that does not accord with what COLP found out regarding the actual sequence that PC Bird had taken photographs of the rifle on Sheila's body!!

They discovered (and as many of you who choose to ignore the truth in this matter can ignore the truth all you like) that PC Bird had taken the photograph of the anshuzt rifle (23) before he had taken the other photographs (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33)! The actual schedule proving this will be posted below! This is evidence that the court which tried the matter did not hear about! In fact, on the contrary, both Ron Cook and David Bird told deliberate lies whilst testifying regarding this! Why did they tell lies about it? Well, because if they had admitted the truth, a truth that did not get exposed until the time of the COLP investigation 1991/1992, it would have proven that cops staged Sheila's body with the anshuzt rifle from the bedroom window!

Why would cops deliberately stage a victims body with a rifle which could not have been found in the possession of the victim? They staged her body because they had done something that they did not want to have to explain publickly!

[mike tesko]

You can choose to ignore the damning evidence regarding the location of the anshuzt rifle, prior to it being photographed with Sheila Caffells body as much as you like! The truth is, that PC David Bird, and DI Ron Cook committed perjury regarding the sequence with which the key rifle was photographed at the bedroom window, and upon Sheila Caffells body!!

Was the rifle at the bedroom window, before cops photographed it on Sheila's body, or vice versa?

It was photographed (23) at the bedroom window before it got put with Sheila's body and photographed (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33), that is an absolute fact, one which cannot at this late stage be changed! Imagine if the truth regarding this had been known during the Crown Court trial? Imagine if by the time of the 2002 appeal these facts had been presented? Imagine the situation now, today, 31 years or so down the road, and the truth finally being laid threadbare for all to see!! Jeremy Bamber did not 'state his sister's death scene's, with use of that rifle! He hadn't staged his sister's death with use of that rifle to fool police into thinking that his sister had killed the others then she had shot herself with use of the same rifle!  No he hadn't done any of this or that! The Cops staged his sister's body! The cops brought the rifle from the bedroom window (23), and the cops placed the rifle (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33) on Sheila's body! That is the 100% truth!! The cops framed Sheila for her own suicide by staging her death scene by introducing the rifle to her body and then taking photographs showing the rifle in her possession!!

Fact!!!

[mike tesko]

You can choose to ignore the damning evidence regarding the location of the anshuzt rifle, prior to it being photographed with Sheila Caffells body as much as you like! The truth is, that PC David Bird, and DI Ron Cook committed perjury regarding the sequence with which the key rifle was photographed at the bedroom window, and upon Sheila Caffells body!!

Was the rifle at the bedroom window, before cops photographed it on Sheila's body, or vice versa?

It was photographed (23) at the bedroom window before it got put with Sheila's body and photographed (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33), that is an absolute fact, one which cannot at this late stage be changed! Imagine if the truth regarding this had been known during the Crown Court trial? Imagine if by the time of the 2002 appeal these facts had been presented? Imagine the situation now, today, 31 years or so down the road, and the truth finally being laid threadbare for all to see!! Jeremy Bamber did not 'state his sister's death scene's, with use of that rifle! He hadn't staged his sister's death with use of that rifle to fool police into thinking that his sister had killed the others then she had shot herself with use of the same rifle!  No he hadn't done any of this or that! The Cops staged his sister's body! The cops brought the rifle from the bedroom window (23), and the cops placed the rifle (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33) on Sheila's body! That is the 100% truth!! The cops framed Sheila for her own suicide by staging her death scene by introducing the rifle to her body and then taking photographs showing the rifle in her possession!!

Fact!!!

Now, as for the silencer, if cops went to the trouble of planting the rifle from the window on her body and staging Sheila Caffells death scene, as outlined, and DS Stan Jones returned to the farmhouse that first morning of the investigation to recover a silencer (SBJ/1) how does a presence of Sheila Caffells blood inside the silencer make Jeremy Bamber guilty of the murders of the other four murders, and Sheila's (if she did not shoot herself)?

[mike tesko]

There would not have been any silencer inside the gun cupboard for David Boutflour to find on 10 August 1985, if Jones hadn't returned the silencer (SBJ/1) to the farmhouse on the occasion when Jones and Jones handed the keys to the farmhouse back to Ann and Peter Eaton, and had given the relatives a tour of the farmhouse, the night before!

David Boutflour found the silencer (SJ/1-DB/1) Jones had returned to the cupboard (SBJ/1) the evening before!

[orb9999]

So mike do you think that Stan Jones and the family were working together to frame Jeremy?

[mike tesko]

There would not have been any silencer inside the gun cupboard for David Boutflour to find on 10 August 1985, if Jones hadn't returned the silencer (SBJ/1) to the farmhouse on the occasion when Jones and Jones handed the keys to the farmhouse back to Ann and Peter Eaton, and had given the relatives a tour of the farmhouse, the night before!

David Boutflour found the silencer (DB/1) Jones had returned to the cupboard (SBJ/1) the evening before!

Ron Cook knew that Stan Jones had originally seized the silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene on the first morning of the incident! The alternative beggars belief, that being that Stan Jones removed four exhibits from a crime scene (SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3, and SBJ/4) without the knowlege of the entire SOC team knowing anything at all about it!!

[lookout]

So mike do you think that Stan Jones and the family were working together to frame Jeremy?

Not so much " working together ",but SJ putting words into the mouths of the family which they'd accepted,as coming from the law it must be right, so they went along with it because it comfortably fitted in with their own " planned motives " which was to see the back of Jeremy if they'd been honest.

[orb9999]

What nice people to have as your family. If this is what actually happened then no wonder they never want JB released. 

[mike tesko]

So mike do you think that Stan Jones and the family were working together to frame Jeremy?

Stan Jones did help to frame Jeremy Bamber for these murders!

But it wasn't Stan Jones decision to stage Sheila's body with the rifle from the main bedroom window, he didn't have anything to do with that, other than he saw Sheila's and June's bodies on top of the bed before he left the scene in the first instance to go with DC Clark to Jeremy's cottage! Upon arriving there and meeting Ann Eaton, they told her that Neville Bambers body had been found downstairs in the kitchen, and that Sheila and Junes bodies were on the bed side by side, and a rifle laid upon the bed between them both, with a Bible on Sheila's chest! Jones and Clark would not have told Ann Eaton this, if they had not themselves seen the two bodies on top of the bed before they had left the scene for the first time that morning (remember Stan Jones returned to the scene that same morning to seize the four exhibits including the silencer SBJ/1)! Stan Jones states in one of his statements that when he saw Sheila's body for the first time, how she looked so peaceful as though she was just sleeping! Well, when he saw Sheila's body she had only been shot once! There was not a second bullet wound in her throat by that stage! There was not all the blood which is depicted in the photographs that were taken much later! She only had one bullet wound when Jones and Clark saw her body on the bed!

Stan Jones helped the relatives frame Jeremy Bamber with use of the silencer, and ballistics! How can his signature which is present on several 'General Examination Records' at the lab' be explained, or even justified, unless he had direct involvement with some of the batch of crime scene ammunition? So, yes, Stan Jones aided the relatives and helped them to secure financial rewards by way of Mabel Speakmans, and the Bamber estates, by going along with the false story that David Boutflour had found the only silencer in the case, the one he found in the gun cupboard on Saturday, 10 August 1985. When if the truth be known, Stan had seized it (SBJ/1) from the scene during the first morning of the police investigation, and returned it to the gun cupboard on evening prior to Boutflour re-finding it!

David Boutflour would later tell Anthony Pargeter that cops had given the silencer back to the family, a fact which Pargeter alludes to in one of his witness statements, but a fact which David Boutflour denies ever telling him! This suggests to me that the relatives had been forwarded by Stan Jones not to mention anything about him seizing the silencer (SBJ/1) on the first morning of the investigation, because otherwise the silencer evidence introduced by the relatives would be excluded as unreliable and tainted evidence!!

[lookout]

Of course they don't want him released. Their excuse over the years is sounding like a cracked record------" he's a danger and we're all scared ". Said often enough even police are convinced.

Yes,I'll bet they're scared------but not because the man's dangerous !