Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[Adam]

This chosen rifle argument which TomG has mentioned was brought up by Roch recently.  The argument was dismissed. I will find the thread post in a minute.

There is no evidence Bamber knew where the kill shots would be. He needed two shots to kill Sheila & 7 to kill June. Shooting Nevill in the lip & jaw from inches away is pretty gruesome & not exactly wasting a shot.

It's no secret Nevill's arm & shoulder shots were because Nevill was on the move.

Not sure why sexual perversions are being brought up by TomG.

[Adam]

For TomG

Roch yesterday said Bamber would not have chosen the murder weapon to commit the massacre.

This was because Bamber chose to fire a second shot into Sheila an inch higher than the first.  Although the first shot may have eventually killed her.

No suggestion of what other available weapon Bamber should have used was forthcoming. Despite three requests. Which was disappointing.

There are several reasons why Bamber chose this weapon:

It was light.

A silencer could be fitted.

It could store 11 bullets.

Bamber could load it at supper to pretend to go to shoot rabbits.

Bamber could give the police his rabbit story.

Bamber testified he knew how to use the murder weapon.

There was a possibility of completing the massacre without having to reload.

If he did have to re load there were bullets available.

There were not many other rifles at WHF. It was a farm, not a military base.

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Do other people believe Bamber chose the correct weapon to committ the massacre ? If not, what available weapon should he have used ?

[lookout]

 I'm not surprised there's no evidence that JB hadn't known where the shots where-------he wasn't there !!

[Adam]

I'm not surprised there's no evidence that JB hadn't known where the shots where-------he wasn't there !!

He was sleeping "like a log".

[maggie]

This chosen rifle argument which TomG has mentioned was brought up by Roch recently.  The argument was dismissed. I will find the thread post in a minute.

There is no evidence Bamber knew where the kill shots would be. He needed two shots to kill Sheila & 7 to kill June. Shooting Nevill in the lip & jaw from inches away is pretty gruesome & not exactly wasting a shot.

It's no secret Nevill's arm & shoulder shots were because Nevill was on the move.

Not sure why sexual perversions are being brought up by TomG.

Adam, in your opinion how did JB shoot Sheila?  I mean, how did he manage to get close enough to her to make it possible for him to shoot her in the throat at very close range.  There is no evidence of her struggling at all, don't you find that a bit curious?  Look forward to reading your scenario.   

[Caroline]

It's quite clear that JB hadn't previously known of Sheila's conversation about killing the twins or he'd have " used " that from the beginning ?

He did use it from the beginning - he set her up for it.

[lookout]

He did use it from the beginning - he set her up for it.

I thought he just said she was a " nutter ",because he wouldn't have known about anything else until he'd been imprisoned and applying for documents.
It was JB who'd been set-up.

[Caroline]

I thought he just said she was a " nutter ",because he wouldn't have known about anything else until he'd been imprisoned and applying for documents.
It was JB who'd been set-up.

and that she thought she was Joan of Arc etc.

[JackieD]

I would guess the usual reason is to blame Lookout.  Underfunding, shortage of staff leading to those trying to do their best being overworked and stressed out.

Absolutely

[Jane]

I thought he just said she was a " nutter ",because he wouldn't have known about anything else until he'd been imprisoned and applying for documents.
It was JB who'd been set-up.

Not according to the rubbish he told Colin. It seems he was leading the game with stories of the things the Bambers said about him and their alleged plans to remove the children from him.

[lookout]

and that she thought she was Joan of Arc etc.

But he knew nothing of her " wanting to kill her children " !

[Caroline]

But he knew nothing of her " wanting to kill her children " !

She didn't 'want' to kill her children and we don't k ow Jeremy didn't know about all she said when she was ill 2 YEARS previously.

[guest1199]

Get off you're high horse, or rather donkey. You big drama queen.

And can you please provide you're Sheila scenario which I requested yesterday. I have already given you my Bamber scenario.

I've not got the time to dedicate my life to this forum like you seem to have done judging by the number of posts you've made.  I also don't have the idle time on my hands to respond pronto, pronto to your petty demands for a Sheila scenario, since I've got more important things to do; however I will review CAL's book on Amazon in due course.  I don't want to get into any arguments about this or further posting on the matter, all I want you to do is take responsibility, amend your original post (if you have not already done so in the interim), since it contains a gross distortion of what I said, if not absolute lies.  I will remove my relevant posts in response, and we'll all live happily ever after.

[Jane]

But he knew nothing of her " wanting to kill her children " !

You can go on insisting that she phrased it that way, but I've yet to read it said, by those who had contact with her, that those were the words she said.

[notsure]

You can go on insisting that she phrased it that way, but I've yet to read it said, by those who had contact with her, that those were the words she said.

Yes but Jane it isn't the way she said it is it it's why she was thinking about it that was the problem. You and Caroline insist that she hadn't said anything about those kind of feelings since her previous hospital visit but we can't be sure can we and it was said she was worse. I would like to see All her medical records.