Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[Adam]

At this moment in time I'm trying to work out a plausible scenario of the crime from beginning to end.  I think it's the responsibility of everyone posting here to do the same regardless of who they think did the killings, not maybe this or maybe that.  I think that if people are going to refer to a pre-laid plan, they had better flesh it out and stand by it or lose integrity. 

As it stands, with the information I've got, I think Sheila committed the crime.  The theory repeatedly asserted in CAL's pro-guilt book is that Sheila had no knowledge of guns; this is only partly true since a child can load the weapon and fire it, in the U.S. they most certainly do with this type of gun.  What Sheila didn't know was how completely inadequate the weapon and ammunition was for killing adult human beings, while Jeremy would have known with his experience of guns.  What we have here is not "overkill" but underkill. 

Sheila would have discovered this as the shots that she thought would kill outright were only resulting in cripplings and maimings, that's why I think she revisited each body and fired a coup de grace when they were all in no position to fight back.  From that point onwards Sheila would have been utterly demented, she wanted to die, and perhaps needed to die, but she had a gun that was was not guaranteed to kill her if she turned the gun on herself.  She could have ended up with crippling brain injuries or paralysis, not the instant deliverance to God and her twins as she wanted. 

She was alive when the cops broke in.

Can you give you're Sheila scenario. To match the body & casing locations.

It needs to include 1/2 phone calls. A kitchen fight & two chambers/breaches/reloads.

Just saying Sheila committed the crime because Bamber's first two shots into Nevill were in the face & no one knows where Nevill was when June was shot, is not enough.

You will also need to adequately dispute the 50+ pieces of incriminating evidence in the library & justify why Nevill would phone Bamber.

I have already done my Bamber scenario.

[lookout]

It used to be 100 pieces of evidence,then it was reduced to 60,now it's whittled down to 50.What happened ?

I've never seen the 100 pieces listed,let alone the 50 ?

[Adam]

It used to be 100 pieces of evidence,then it was reduced to 60,now it's whittled down to 50.What happened ?

I've never seen the 100 pieces listed,let alone the 50 ?

Well there are 42 threads in the library. But some of the threads relate to several pieces of evidence. So I've generously said 50.

[guest1199]

Can you give you're Sheila scenario. To match the body & casing locations.

It needs to include 1/2 phone calls. A kitchen fight & two chambers/breaches/reloads.

Just saying Sheila committed the crime because Bamber's first two shots into Nevill were in the face & no one knows where Nevill was when June was shot, is not enough.

You will also need to adequately dispute the 50+ pieces of incriminating evidence in the library & justify why Nevill would phone Bamber.

Do you have a strategy that Jeremy surely must have had as he approached WHF from begining to end, or are you just going to say that he wanted to make it look like his mad sister had done it, with the results speaking for themselves, as others seem to be content to do?

 I know I have to do a lot more, but at least I've had the integrity to make a start.  To imply that the responsibility is all mine merely compounds the fact that the pro-guilt argument has a nice cozy comfort zone in that it needs no responsibility to explain JB's strategy at all. The pro-guilt argument is the sanctuary of those who don't want to do to much thinking, or put in much effort, it doesn't need any.

[Jane]

Do you have a strategy that Jeremy surely must have had as he approached WHF from begining to end, or are you just going to say that he wanted to make it look like his mad sister had done it, with the results speaking for themselves, as others seem to be content to do?

 I know I have to do a lot more, but at least I've had the integrity to make a start.  To imply that the responsibility is all mine merely compounds the fact that the pro-guilt argument has a nice cozy comfort zone in that it needs no responsibility to explain JB's strategy at all. The pro-guilt argument is the sanctuary of those who don't want to do to much thinking, or put in much effort, it doesn't need any.

Do you recall how Les Dawson played the piano incredibly badly? Have you any idea how necessary it was for him to play it well, in order to be able to play it badly? The same would have been true of Jeremy's plan.

[Adam]

Do you have a strategy that Jeremy surely must have had as he approached WHF from begining to end, or are you just going to say that he wanted to make it look like his mad sister had done it, with the results speaking for themselves, as others seem to be content to do?

 I know I have to do a lot more, but at least I've had the integrity to make a start.  To imply that the responsibility is all mine merely compounds the fact that the pro-guilt argument has a nice cozy comfort zone in that it needs no responsibility to explain JB's strategy at all. The pro-guilt argument is the sanctuary of those who don't want to do to much thinking, or put in much effort, it doesn't need any.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6549.msg295162.html#msg295162

Reply 4.

Not sure what you mean by strategy. What he did, how he travelled there/back & how he got in/out were all decided beforehand from information he already had.

[guest1199]

Do you recall how Les Dawson played the piano incredibly badly? Have you any idea how necessary it was for him to play it well, in order to be able to play it badly? The same would have been true of Jeremy's plan.

Ok, now you've at least made a start.  Jeremy based his entire strategy on the inspiration he received from Les Dawson's wonky piano playing.

[guest1199]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6549.msg295162.html#msg295162

Reply 4.

Not sure what you mean by strategy. What he did, how he travelled there/back & how he got in/out were all decided beforehand from information he already had.

If you don't know what strategy is, look it up.  Or has the pro-guilt malaise gone too far with you?

[Adam]

If you don't know what strategy is, look it up.  Or has the pro-guilt malaise gone too far with you?

I assume it's similar to 'decide beforehand'. Which I put in my last post.

Look forward to reading you're Sheila scenario.

[Jane]

Ok, now you've at least made a start.  Jeremy based his entire strategy on the inspiration he received from Les Dawson's wonky piano playing.

Did I say that or did you THINK I said it? OR perhaps you just made up that I said it?

[guest1199]

Did I say that or did you THINK I said it? OR perhaps you just made up that I said it?

Or perhaps you made a poor analogy in the first place.

[Jane]

Or perhaps you made a poor analogy in the first place.

Or perhaps it's just your opinion that I did.

[Lucy522]

What I'm struggling to understand is, if Neville was shot upstairs first and had half of his jaw blown off THEN was beaten around the head with the weapon, then where is all the blood on it??

[Steve_uk]

Ok, now you've at least made a start.  Jeremy based his entire strategy on the inspiration he received from Les Dawson's wonky piano playing.

Had Jeremy taken up a musical instrument it might have afforded a modicum of release from repressed emotion.  He hated the place, forlorn, secluded, its shabby chic interior which belied the material worth of his parents, both too preoccupied without to furnish the attention it needed within. He sought solace in his foreign trips, only to be admonished upon return that he was neglecting his duties, his responsibilities as their son, the boy they had chosen yet failed to nurture, and his indifference gradually turned to hate as he came to see them as the true obstacle to fulfilment which lay in the bright lights of London, which Sheila the indigent sibling enjoyed.

[maggie]

What I'm struggling to understand is, if Neville was shot upstairs first and had half of his jaw blown off THEN was beaten around the head with the weapon, then where is all the blood on it??

Although Nevill would have been standing up there is a possibly he may have swallowed quite a lot of the blood from his mouth wound....  just a suggestion.