Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[susan]

Neville would have lambasted Jeremy if he'd entered the farmhouse via a window,especially given the alleged conversation between BW and himself about " not turning his back " and all that. It would have been expected I'd have thought--------forewarned is forearmed and all that.
Whereas with Sheila,it would have been unexpected,a nasty surprise. Anyone taken aback by shock or surprise just isn't prepared for the unexpected.

Lookout we have discussed this before when Nevill said I must never turn my back on that young man he could have meant I will always be there for him these kind of statements can be read which ever way fits

[lookout]

Lookout we have discussed this before when Nevill said I must never turn my back on that young man he could have meant I will always be there for him these kind of statements can be read which ever way fits

Indeed Susan. It's what I think too. Statements only need a few twists and turns and before you know it you're the accused.

[Steve_uk]

Lookout we have discussed this before when Nevill said I must never turn my back on that young man he could have meant I will always be there for him these kind of statements can be read which ever way fits

In the context of the remark about "the shooting season's coming up" I think that's a very generous interpretation.

[susan]

In the context of the remark about "the shooting season's coming up" I think that's a very generous interpretation.

Hi Steve I am just trying to look at both sides of the coin and not see everything in black and white I am looking at the grey area.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Steve I am just trying to look at both sides of the coin and not see everything in black and white I am looking at the grey area.

The tragedy is so many people had premonitions but nothing ended up being done.

[JackiePreece]

Lookout we have discussed this before when Nevill said I must never turn my back on that young man he could have meant I will always be there for him these kind of statements can be read which ever way fits

Exactly Susan

[notsure]

OK. I imagine the fantasy would always have been that an accident would befall them all in the same place. A car accident, perhaps? He may have toyed with such an idea. He certainly appears to have briefly voiced thoughts of a major fire and, with a 'loan' of them from Julie, sleeping pills. He certainly seems, at some point, to have become aware of how serious was Sheila's mental condition. He'd been to the party that weekend. Had been in Sheila's company. He and Julie had taken Sheila home -we've never been made privy to the conversation which took place during that journey. MIGHT something have been said then that pushed his fantasy up a gear? COULD he have realized that Sheila's mental state changed the possibility of the fantasy, into reality? All he'd then have needed to do to refine it, was to work out the best way to do it to make it appear as if Sheila had.

I really struggle with this scenario Jane. Could it be possible that he was just being a caring brother by taking her home and that there really wasn't much of a conversation only to know that she was home safely.

[notsure]

Some good posting TomG. Thanks for your contributions. I'm going to miss some decent posts.

Some very good and interesting posts by tomg

[notsure]

Well, I'd have to argue that you'd need to be him before you understood. One of us MIGHT, accidentally hit on it -even share it with you- but unless you were open to believing it, you'd probably deny it but just because you wouldn't want to believe it wouldn't mean it didn't happen. I don't believe it falls to any of us to make you believe that which you may choose not to. As neither of us are forcing our views down the other's throats, I remain perfectly happy to agree to disagree.

That works both ways Jane. If someone posted a credible scenario of how Shiela committed the massacre the guilters still wouldn't be open to considering it. Stalemates

[Adam]

That works both ways Jane. If someone posted a credible scenario of how Shiela committed the massacre the guilters still wouldn't be open to considering it. Stalemates

There has been no credible scenarios of how Sheila committed the massacre. From the posters who have been kind enough to try.

Mike saying 'by shooting them' or Roch saying 'Sheila shot them but I can't explain Nevill's phone calls', is not enough.

More detailed scenarios have been dismissed. No one believes Nevill rang Bamber & the police after Sheila started shooting the twins or after he had been shot himself.

But feel free to submit you're scenario.

[Jane]

I really struggle with this scenario Jane. Could it be possible that he was just being a caring brother by taking her home and that there really wasn't much of a conversation only to know that she was home safely.

Caring brother? Notsure, he told police that he didn't like her and she didn't like him. He told an employee that he wasn't sharing any money with Sheila. Does either sound caring?

[notsure]

Caring brother? Notsure, he told police that he didn't like her and she didn't like him. He told an employee that he wasn't sharing any money with Sheila. Does either sound caring?

So
Why take her home then.
If he disliked her that much he didn't have to bother.

[lookout]

I really struggle with this scenario Jane. Could it be possible that he was just being a caring brother by taking her home and that there really wasn't much of a conversation only to know that she was home safely.

The usual brotherly/sisterly " love ". I didn't like my brother and he didn't like me-------until we were well older. Nothing unusual in brother versus sister squabbles. All part of life and perfectly normal.

Another thing we mustn't forget is that it always seemed to have been Jeremy that took Sheila home and not Colin who was always too drunk,so we have to ask ourselves if these were also Jeremy's thoughts rather than him openly remarking ?

[notsure]

There has been no credible scenarios of how Sheila committed the massacre. From the posters who have been kind enough to try.

Mike saying 'by shooting them' or Roch saying 'Sheila shot them but I can't explain Nevill's phone calls', is not enough.

More detailed scenarios have been dismissed. No one believes Nevill rang Bamber & the police after Sheila started shooting the twins or after he had been shot himself.

But feel free to submit you're scenario.

Where is your scenario, I will read it

[Jane]

So
Why take her home then.
If he disliked her that much he didn't have to bother.

Colin asked him to because she'd asked him but he'd had too much to drink. Besides which, I'm sure we've all found ourselves doing things for people we don't care very much for. It's been insisted here that Jeremy hadn't spoken to June for years because he hated her. Life isn't that simple. It isn't black or white.