Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[Steve_uk]

No, neither was Macavity.

[Steve_uk]

It's no more c*** than any scenario you can concoct with Sheila as the perpetrator.

[Samson]

What I do find especially stomach churning is Julie Mugford apparently knowing about the deaths of two kids for a month or so, how could  woman who I believe actually now works with kids do this? an what sort of person could go into a morgue and identify them apparently knowing this.

Julie Mugford is a fascinating study in pure evil. There is no explanation other than this since Jeremy Bamber did not do the crime, and she knows it.

[lookout]

Of course JM knows he didn't commit the crime.I've said this all along.

[Steve_uk]

Julie Mugford is a fascinating study in pure evil. There is no explanation other than this since Jeremy Bamber did not do the crime, and she knows it.

You are as unknowledgeable about England as I am about New Zealand. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=5528.msg240763#msg240763

[Samson]

You are as unknowledgeable about England as I am about New Zealand. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=5528.msg240763#msg240763

I read that eloquent post Steve. If I didn't know better I might think your name was Carol   

[Steve_uk]

I read that eloquent post Steve. If I didn't know better I might think your name was Carol   

No I'm staying the male gender thanks.

[Samson]

It's no more c*** than any scenario you can concoct with Sheila as the perpetrator.

How about

Just after 3am he called Julie. He chose his words carefully in case anyone else should overhear but said enough to let the reality of what he had done sink in.

Noone believes that she would passionately embrace a killer of two children, so this part is plain wrong.

 He then retraced his footsteps to the master bedroom, intending to finish setting the scene. To his shock he found his sister incapacitated but still alive. Quickly, he returned to the kitchen, loading a single cartridge into the magazine.
Upstairs once more, he crouched down and took aim. The bullet went into Sheila’s brain, killing her instantly.

Yet the blood staining shows she hadn't moved between shots. Gravity feeds the blood in the expected way for a one position death.

 The terrible impact woke Nevill, who lurched out of bed. Jeremy turned the gun on his father, firing four shots that caught him on his left side: two bullets penetrated his forearm and shoulder, and two tore into his lip and jaw.

Noone believes he would fire 5 shots to June leaving his father able. The reason she took 5 shots is because she was alone in the room and Nevill was downstairs. He raced up and took the face shots, turned and took the arm shots.

The commotion had also woken Sheila, who crossed the landing to her parents’ bedroom, drowsy and confused.

Let us parse this then. He shot June first and took the real risk, that Nevill would attack. Of course he would, but this would be certain to wake Sheila, who was never going to be a compliant victim. There is no such thing, and is contrary to a plan. With hindsight you lot have created this catatonic robot to slaughter, forgetting she has a history of violence, and was off her meds. Can't you see what a stupid plan it would be, leaving the simplest explanation being there was no plan. I have detailed how I see Sheila doing this crime with no planning, just one sad circumstance rolling to the next till they are all at peace.

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I could go from point to ridiculous point, but I am wasting my time. You have all persuaded your prime minister the conviction is right and proper, so who am I to care?

[Steve_uk]

Nevill could have been downstairs but Jeremy killed him before he could get to a telephone. Sheila doesn't need to have moved for Jeremy to have shot her twice. The conviction is safe in my eyes.

[Samson]

Nevill could have been downstairs but Jeremy killed him before he could get to a telephone. Sheila doesn't need to have moved for Jeremy to have shot her twice. The conviction is safe in my eyes.

Too many bullets wasted on June for this. Extreme risk. You are glossing over everything I wrote. You do not address the fact that a plan to replicate suicide has too many moving parts, and that Sheila could be relied on to be completely non compliant, resulting in physical injury beyond just gun shots.
It just does not work, you know this. It is called cognitive dissonance and is tragic for Jeremy and your legal system. The sooner you all face your demons the better.
The conviction is neither safe nor unsafe, these words are unsuitable for this outrage.

[Steve_uk]

Too many bullets wasted on June for this. Extreme risk. You are glossing over everything I wrote. You do not address the fact that a plan to replicate suicide has too many moving parts, and that Sheila could be relied on to be completely non compliant, resulting in physical injury beyond just gun shots.
It just does not work, you know this. It is called cognitive dissonance and is tragic for Jeremy and your legal system. The sooner you all face your demons the better.
The conviction is neither safe nor unsafe, these words are unsuitable for this outrage.

I have had experience of a young schizophrenic in psychosis and that person was barely capable of holding a conversation, let alone committing all the crimes attributed to Sheila that morning. Sheila was ill but she was passive rather than proactive: she was silent on the journey down to White House Farm, she was vacant and staring at the shop in Tiptree, she was vacant around the kitchen table and worn out with the telephone call from Pam. She went to her death like a lamb to the slaughter after being led by the hand into the master bedroom where a rifle was thrust into her hands and the trigger pulled.

[Samson]

I have had experience of a young schizophrenic in psychosis and that person was barely capable of holding a conversation, let alone committing all the crimes attributed to Sheila that morning. Sheila was ill but she was passive rather than proactive: she was silent on the journey down to White House Farm, she was vacant and staring at the shop in Tiptree, she was vacant around the kitchen table and worn out with the telephone call from Pam. She went to her death like a lamb to the slaughter after being led by the hand into the master bedroom where a rifle was thrust into her hands and the trigger pulled.

Yes that is what Harry hindsight serves up. But hindsight is not available when planning. Do you understand this point? Foresight simply deems the plan implausible.
Your experience would encourage you to rely on a catatonic cooperator for a major endeavour of this nature?
You know what I am saying but cognitive dissonance separates you from the inevitable.

[Steve_uk]

Yes that is what Harry hindsight serves up. But hindsight is not available when planning. Do you understand this point? Foresight simply deems the plan implausible.
Your experience would encourage you to rely on a catatonic cooperator for a major endeavour of this nature?
You know what I am saying but cognitive dissonance separates you from the inevitable.

Sheila's remark gave Jeremy the moral legitimacy he needed to execute his plan. He had been devising his scheme for months as he ploughed yonder field on the tractor, his lone, solitary figure silhouetted against the shimmering sun, the brilliant marsh marigolds now bent on slumber, belying that evil intent harbouring in his mind as White House Farm was set in relief, soon to be transformed into a charnel house of death..

[Samson]

Sheila's remark gave Jeremy the moral legitimacy he needed to execute his plan. He had been devising his scheme for months as he ploughed yonder field on the tractor, his lone, solitary figure silhouetted against the shimmering sun, the brilliant marsh marigolds now bent on slumber, belying that evil intent harbouring in his mind as White House Farm was set in relief, soon to be transformed into a charnel house of death..

Now you're just being naughty.

What are we planning for our next great hoax, Galileo should be hanged?

[David1819]

Sheila's remark gave Jeremy the moral legitimacy he needed to execute his plan. He had been devising his scheme for months as he ploughed yonder field on the tractor, his lone, solitary figure silhouetted against the shimmering sun, the brilliant marsh marigolds now bent on slumber, belying that evil intent harbouring in his mind as White House Farm was set in relief, soon to be transformed into a charnel house of death..

Whats is this. An insight into Robert Boutflours imagination?

On a serious note, you have lost your marbles.