In Conversation .......

[Caroline]

Many people who believe Jeremy is innocent, just can't get their head around the notion that the police may have been in conversation with someone inside the 'farmhouse'.

That one line conjures up images of Sheila holding on to the rifle in a 'you'll never take me alive coppers' type scenario.

I have previously argued that Bonnett probably just wrote the wrong phrase when he used the words 'in conversation', until I noticed something that I hadn't rationalised before. Something gets repeated here so many times that we often take for granted what we believe is written and miss was is actually stated. I was under the assumption that Bonnett's log stated "Firearms team are in conversation with someone from inside the FARMHOUSE, however, what Bonnett actually wrote was "Firearms team are in conversation with someone from inside the FARM' not FARMHOUSE - just FARM. His next line is "Challenge to persons inside HOUSE met with no response". Bonnett distinguishes FARM from HOUSE and the distinction is important when compared with the various TFG statements. Just before the TFG approached the farm with the loud hailer, they WERE in conversation with someone, they were in conversation with Jeremy Bamber; Jeremy Bamber was someone FROM the farm; an inside man so to speak. I believe that the line "Firearms team are in conversation with someone from inside the FARM " is a reference to the conversation between Jeremy and the TFG as referenced below - (see Collins's statement below the relevant page of Bonnett's log). It's important because JUST AFTER the conversation with Jeremy, the TFG made their challenge to 'persons inside the HOUSE' which as we know was 'met with no response'. So no mystery after all as far as I am concerned - Bonnett's comment was in respect to the conversation with Jeremy! Hence the distinction between 'Farm' and 'House'.

[mike tesko]

Many people who believe Jeremy is innocent, just can't get their head around the notion that the police may have been in conversation with someone inside the 'farmhouse'.

That one line conjures up images of Sheila holding on to the rifle in a 'you'll never take me alive coppers' type scenario.

I have previously argued that Bonnett probably just wrote the wrong phrase when he used the words 'in conversation', until I noticed something that I hadn't rationalised before. Something gets repeated here so many times that we often take for granted what we believe is written and miss was is actually stated. I was under the assumption that Bonnett's log stated "Firearms team are in conversation with someone from inside the FARMHOUSE, however, what Bonnett actually wrote was "Firearms team are in conversation with someone from inside the FARM' not FARMHOUSE - just FARM. His next line is "Challenge to persons inside HOUSE met with no response". Bonnett distinguishes FARM from HOUSE and the distinction is important when compared with the various TFG statements. Just before the TFG approached the farm with the loud hailer, they WERE in conversation with someone, they were in conversation with Jeremy Bamber; Jeremy Bamber was someone FROM the farm; an inside man so to speak. I believe that the line "Firearms team are in conversation with someone from inside the FARM " is a reference to the conversation between Jeremy and the TFG as referenced below - (see Collins's statement below the relevant page of Bonnett's log). It's important because JUST AFTER the conversation with Jeremy, the TFG made their challenge to 'persons inside the HOUSE' which as we know was 'met with no response'. So no mystery after all as far as I am concerned - Bonnett's comment was in respect to the conversation with Jeremy! Hence the distinction between 'Farm' and 'House'.

Bonnett did not record the wrong phrase, knowing that what was said by Neville Bamber at 3.26am was recorded on Audio tape, and checkable for accuracy!

[Caroline]

Bonnett did not record the wrong phrase, knowing that what was said by Neville Bamber at 3.26am was recorded on Audio tape, and checkable for accuracy!

I know he didn't, now! The reference is to the conversation the TFG had with Jeremy before making the challenge to the HOUSE.

[mike tesko]

I know he didn't, now! The reference is to the conversation the TFG had with Jeremy before making the challenge to the HOUSE.

Jeremy wasn't present at the scene when that radio message got passed at 5.25am, he had already left the scene to go to a local phone box accompanied by a uniform officer!

[mike tesko]

Jeremy wasn't present at the scene when that radio message got passed at 5.25am, he had already left the scene to go to a local phone box accompanied by a uniform officer!

PC Collins edited typed composite statement created for him by a faceless, nameless,  cop! -there's the original handwritten version bearing his signature?

[lookout]

So a loud-hailer was used for two hours to speak to Jeremy who was outside the farmhouse ?? Deaf ??

[mike tesko]

So a loud-hailer was used for two hours to speak to Jeremy who was outside the farmhouse ?? Deaf ??

'A trick of words'!!

[Caroline]

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[Caroline]

So a loud-hailer was used for two hours to speak to Jeremy who was outside the farmhouse ?? Deaf ??

It's not difficult Lookot, the first entry in the log states that the firearms team were in conversation with A PERSON (Jeremy) from inside the FARM. They then approached the HOUSE and used the loud hailer to try and get a response, however, such attempts to rouse PERSONS from inside the HOUSE met with no response.

Nothing could be clearer - Bonnett's comment is in reference to the TFG being in conversation with Jeremy. Both the log and Collins's statement prove this.

[mike tesko]

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Adams arrived at 5am to the scene, and the ccupants of CA07 had already gleaned information about the guns, Ammunition and persons inside the farmhouse by that stage! Jeremy was not even still at the scene at 5.25am, he had already left to go to a village call bs!!

[Caroline]

Adams arrived at 5am to the scene, and the ccupants of CA07 had already gleaned information about the guns, Ammunition and persons inside the farmhouse by that stage! Jeremy was not even still at the scene at 5.25am, he had already left to go to a village call bs!!

The entry in the log was made at 05:25 - the conversation wasn't JUST about guns (see below). JUST PRIOR to challenging the house, Jeremy was in conversation with the TFG - the log entry is correct and the person from inside the farm who was 'in conversation' could ONLY be Jeremy.

More of Jeremy being 'in conversation'

[David1819]

Jeremy is already identified in the same log sheet as 'Mr Bamber'. If they were in conversation with 'Mr Bamber' it would say such. 'Mr Bamber' is not 'a person'. 'a person' is yet to be identified.

God some people are stupid.

[mike tesko]

The entry in the log was made at 05:25 - the conversation wasn't JUST about guns (see below). JUST PRIOR to challenging the house, Jeremy was in conversation with the TFG - the log entry is correct and the person from inside the farm who was 'in conversation' could ONLY be Jeremy.

More of Jeremy being 'in conversation'

These conversations as you put it, occurred closer to 5am after the arrival of the TFG, Jeremy had left the vicinity by 5.25am and gone to the village with a uniform cop to call Mugford! Your interpretation, therefore, cannot be accurate!

[Reader]

. . . knowing that what was said by Neville Bamber at 3.26am was recorded on Audio tape

There's no proof that Nevill spoke directly to Bonnett, as distinct from speaking to Pc West (with no audio recording), who then spoke to Bonnett.

[mike tesko]

There's no proof that Nevill spoke directly to Bonnett, as distinct from speaking to Pc West (with no audio recording), who then spoke to Bonnett.

That's not true! Cops accepted that Jeremy's call to PC West was originally recorded on Audio tape, but have subsequently claimed it was destroyed after 28 days! PC West was in the control room! Therefore any calls made there, rather than the incident room were recorded! Now, if Neville spoke to PC West his call would have also been recorded on Audio tape, as would any communication between PC West concerning Neville Bambers call to him, and Malcom Bonnett! Same thing applied after Jeremy spoke to PC West, when West spoke to Bonnett about Jeremy phoning police as well, the conversation between West and Bonnet was recorded by the same technology!