Witheld Docs

[Jane]

Easily.The lies rolled off her tongue. 
Bit of a difference in " being told " that he planned to do it--------and doing it. If only life was that easy that decisions were made for you.
He'd planned it,so he must have done it. Dear me.

And how was Julie suppose to know the difference between the plan and the action?

[lookout]

He planned it, it happened and you think it;s a stretch to think he might be guilty? 

Sorry,it's just not possible. To go around telling of what your plans are as well as telling RWB what you could easily do ( kill parents ) then the daft beggar rings the police  Who was mentally ill here,JB or his sister ?

[Caroline]

Sorry,it's just not possible. To go around telling of what your plans are as well as telling RWB what you could easily do ( kill parents ) then the daft beggar rings the police  Who was mentally ill here,JB or his sister ?

It is possible because it happened and he only called the police as an alibi and to blame his sister. Not mentally ill, just an arrogant psychopath.

[Jane]

Sorry,it's just not possible. To go around telling of what your plans are as well as telling RWB what you could easily do ( kill parents ) then the daft beggar rings the police  Who was mentally ill here,JB or his sister ?

Can you explain WHY you believe "it's just not possible" Lookout? It's not as if he said all these things within a few days, nor do I suspect he said them on a daily basis. I would remind you that there is a vast difference between mental illness and personality disorder.

[lookout]

Can you explain WHY you believe "it's just not possible" Lookout? It's not as if he said all these things within a few days, nor do I suspect he said them on a daily basis. I would remind you that there is a vast difference between mental illness and personality disorder.

Personality disorder comes under the umbrella of mental illnesses. Look it up.
Jeremy has been found not to suffer from any impairment of his mental state. In 30 years there's NEVER been any report of depression least of all psychopathy.

[Jane]

Personality disorder comes under the umbrella of mental illnesses. Look it up.
Jeremy has been found not to suffer from any impairment of his mental state. In 30 years there's NEVER been any report of depression least of all psychopathy.

Let's be straight, shall we, Lookout? You can twist this anyway you want, but personality disorder is not -I repeat NOT- a mental illness whether you put it under an umbrella or a parasol. I will accept that Jeremy doesn't have mental impairment, but it doesn't mean he's not a psychopath, NOR do depression and psychopathy have any commonalities. Is there a list -for public consumption- of every prisoner who is also a psychopath? WHY would it be of any importance? Why would Jeremy's psychopathy be of any more interest than any other prisoner?

[lookout]

Let's be straight, shall we, Lookout? You can twist this anyway you want, but personality disorder is not -I repeat NOT- a mental illness whether you put it under an umbrella or a parasol. I will accept that Jeremy doesn't have mental impairment, but it doesn't mean he's not a psychopath, NOR do depression and psychopathy have any commonalities. Is there a list -for public consumption- of every prisoner who is also a psychopath? WHY would it be of any importance? Why would Jeremy's psychopathy be of any more interest than any other prisoner?

Having a personality disorder is tantamount to being schizophrenic because instead of a person being themselves,they emulate someone else--------split personality ( schizophrenia ) Mental illness. Having two minds. Having a personality disorder can be dangerous because it's what I'd class as a devious illness.

[Caroline]

Personality disorder comes under the umbrella of mental illnesses. Look it up.
Jeremy has been found not to suffer from any impairment of his mental state. In 30 years there's NEVER been any report of depression least of all psychopathy.

Personality disorder is classed as a 'mental disorder' not a mental illness. Depression and psycopathy are two VERY DIFFERENT things!

[Jane]

Having a personality disorder is tantamount to being schizophrenic because instead of a person being themselves,they emulate someone else--------split personality ( schizophrenia ) Mental illness. Having two minds. Having a personality disorder can be dangerous because it's what I'd class as a devious illness.

Dissociative identity disorder -what you call split personality- and schizophrenia may appear similar but they are very different. DID is a very serious MENTAL disorder. Schizophrenia can be easily managed with medication.

So are you saying that every personality disorder is just another way of saying schizophrenia?

YOU may class as dangerous/devious -SOME?- personality disorders but the chances are on a scale of 1-10, we ALL fall between 2-4 of one or another of them. They are not illnesses. Unless there is an underlying mental illness which will respond to drug therapy, personality disorders alone do not respond to medications.

[lookout]

Personality disorder is classed as a 'mental disorder' not a mental illness. Depression and psycopathy are two VERY DIFFERENT things!

Mental disorder,mental illness--------same difference,just different wording,that's all. It's just your way of evading the fact that it's still a mental illness. So to cover that you throw in depression and psychopathy both of which I know are different  And you tell me I twist things !

[Caroline]

Mental disorder,mental illness--------same difference,just different wording,that's all. It's just your way of evading the fact that it's still a mental illness. So to cover that you throw in depression and psychopathy both of which I know are different  And you tell me I twist things !

No, it's not the same at all - you should know better but clearly you don't. Psychopathy is a mindset, it can't be treated with medication, schizophrenia (on the other hand) is an illness and can be treated with medication. It could be argued (I suppose) that because both are considered abnormalities, that they should be classed as illnesses. The law does not class psychopathy as an illness and can't be used under the banner of diminished responsibility.

[Jane]

Mental disorder,mental illness--------same difference,just different wording,that's all. It's just your way of evading the fact that it's still a mental illness. So to cover that you throw in depression and psychopathy both of which I know are different  And you tell me I twist things !

It is NOT, Lookout, and I don't know a psychiatrist or psychologist who'd agree with you, but you seem to think you know better than those who've spent years training to be both.

[Steve_uk]

I think Sheila's illness has been magnified by the Defence: some sincerely believed she had the capacity to kill through genuine motives but others are using it as a smokescreen for Jeremy's atrocities. All the evidence was that when she was on medication her illness, though serious, was manageable and enabled her to lead some kind of life, though not independent in the full sense of the word.

[Jane]

I think Sheila's illness has been magnified by the Defence: some sincerely believed she had the capacity to kill through genuine motives but others are using it as a smokescreen for Jeremy's atrocities. All the evidence was that when she was on medication her illness, though serious, was manageable and enabled her to lead some kind of life, though not independent in the full sense of the word.

That's exactly right, Steve. Sheila's mental illness was emblazoned and festooned across every red top within hours of the murders. OK, it may have come from the police, but from whom did they receive it? It's perfectly true that once on stable meds, schizophrenia can be managed successfully. The chances are, that had Sheila agreed to stay in St Andrews for the extra week, the meds which were causing her problems may have been adjusted.

[lookout]

Doctor Ferguson was not happy at Sheila leaving the clinic when she did. We'll never know why now,I don't suppose.
One thing I do know is that if she was admitted under section 3,that she'd have been deemed a danger to herself and others. Is this the reason that we haven't seen her medical reports ??