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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2017, 03:30:PM »
You haven't answered my questions - we are talking about Barry George, not the other suspects!

the point still stands its not relvant being found of 1 crime doesnt make you guilty of another.

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« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2017, 03:36:PM »
Well they can't be by law but I must admit I found Jill's neighbour Helen Doble remarkably complacent when she dismissed Barry George as the local eccentric when he had in the past roamed round the grounds of Kensington Palace with rope and a 12'' hunting knife.
https://youtu.be/jlIgI4aLmVU

I wonder if the police have ever re-visited the CCTV evidence in this case? It's possible they may have missed something.

According to disclosures made by SH, he went into Tesco's Copdock the day before he murdered (15th Dec 2001)and purchased a pair of black moleskin type trousers. He disclosed it was a 'fluke' that the police missed him on CCTV.

How do we know the same didn't happen in this case?
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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2017, 03:51:PM »
     Instead of attacking Barry George's sister it would be more intellectually honest to question the role played by certain police officers and their stooges at the Sun et al.
     Accusing his sister of "covering his guilt" is particularly loathsome especially seeing as you appear to base these slurs on nothing more than "belief".   

Following the discovery of Jill Dando's body, her neighbour phoned the police, believing her to have been stabbed. The police and paramedics arrived sometime later.

If you have any knowledge of this case Gringo you will be aware the crime scene had been contaminated by the paramedics, not the police. An air ambulance took Miss Dando to hospital where she was declared deceased.

You state; 'Instead of attacking Barry George's sister it would be more intellectually honest to question the role played by certain police officers and their stooges at the Sun et al

First off, I am not attacking Barry George's sister. I am asking questions.

Following my own experiences, I am well aware of how some family members will defend and protect their loved ones regardless of the consequences to themselves or indeed others.

To whom are these 'certain police officers and their stooges' to which you refer? You will need to be more specific and name them.

It is clear you have an agenda Gringo and it's also clear it is you who is attempting to slur my name.

It's noted you choose to say nothing in relation to the SH confession. What is your stance on this by the way, seeing as you appear to be interested in these cases.


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« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2017, 04:06:PM »
Following my own experiences, I am well aware of how some family members will defend and protect their loved ones regardless of the consequences to themselves or indeed others.

I should add:

I am aware of how some family members will publicly attempt to protect their loved ones for well over a decade and still choose to mislead the public, even after a confession. I do not know why people choose to do this but I know that they do. The evidence is in the public domain. It cannot and should not be ignored!




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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2017, 04:39:PM »
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As I asked in my last post, what convictions that the COA have quashed & ordered a re trial, have the jury at the re trial gone against the COA & voted guilty

That's not information that's easy to find! These are the ones I found, and the reasons for the retrials:

Ronnie Coulter -  Double Jeopardy
Angus Sinclair  - Double Jeopardy
Nat Fraser (CoA)
Ameen Jogee (Supreme Court)
Charlie Jutyauripo murder (convicted person unnamed for legal reasons) hung jury
John Watson (hung jury)
Michael Stone (CoA)
Peter Smith (CoA)
Stephen Young (CoA)
Sgt Danny Nightingale (military trial and re-trial – court martials Appeal court)

From the Court of Appeal Annual report, there were 121 successful appeals in 2014-15 - I haven't been able to find how many of those went to retrial, but I'll keep looking.

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« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2017, 04:45:PM »
Michelle Diskin has publicly stated her brother was not capable of murder. How do we know she is not in denial?

"People who are not open to hearing information and criticism about themselves can become Masters of Denial. There is no end to what they can make themselves believe for their own benefit.

She is openly supporting Jeremy Bamber who we know to be guilty. Why doesn't she campaign on her own? Why does she choose to be associated with so many other alleged MOJ cases?
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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2017, 05:43:PM »
     You haven't offered a single valid reason to back up your belief that Barry George is guilty.

Matthew Hamlen also maintained innocence before https://matthewhamlenisinnocent.wordpress.com/ he was brought back to Court to face a re-trial under the double jeopardy law and found guilty of bludgeoning 77 year old Georgina Edmonds to death with a rolling pin, after stabbing her 37 times.

In February 2016 Matthew Hamlen was sentenced to 30 years.

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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2017, 06:14:PM »
Michelle Diskin has publicly stated her brother was not capable of murder. How do we know she is not in denial?

"People who are not open to hearing information and criticism about themselves can become Masters of Denial. There is no end to what they can make themselves believe for their own benefit.

She is openly supporting Jeremy Bamber who we know to be guilty. Why doesn't she campaign on her own? Why does she choose to be associated with so many other alleged MOJ cases?

and having met him I have to agrea with her.

1 bullet straight through the temple clean and calm escape that's not the actions of a man with limited intelligence and poor cordnation skills.

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« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2017, 06:20:PM »
that's not the actions of a man with limited intelligence and poor cordnation skills.

Is that your excuse for his previous offences?  ::)
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« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2017, 07:27:PM »
the murder looked like a professional git to me by somone who knew what they were doing.

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« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2017, 08:57:PM »
https://youtu.be/jlIgI4aLmVU

Why are supporters of Barry George minimizing the fact that he had duped the police on several occasions prior to his arrest for the murder of Jill Dando?

He had previously been convicted under some of these aliases. How did that happen?

He had a conviction for a sex attack in the 1980's. His conviction would have been spent after a period of years but what help or support did he receive from the point of this conviction, up until his arrest for murder, if any?
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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2017, 09:24:PM »
Maybe I didn't make myself clear when I posted the following: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8116.msg383934.html#msg383934

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September 10, 2013 10:04 am
As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public;

Barry George has not been declared as a TRUE MOJ victim! This is Michelle Diskin's interpretation.

this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice.

It does indeed! Especially given that Michael Mansfield also represented SH in the appeal court in 2010, as one example. Could Michael Mansfield's brief of Barry George have been wrong like it was with Simon Hall?

But this is just one case.

But it isn't is it!? There is no definitive proof that Barry George is innocent, just that his conviction was over turned.

The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence.

But the evidence wasn't built around Barry George. His name had been put forward early on following the murder.

One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit?

What does she mean by this? It makes no sense!

All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed.

Why take it on the chin and move on? Why not look for answers as to how the confession came about?

Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict. The B George case is one…but the parallels with the Barri White/Keith Hyatt conviction are evident; the case was fitted around the defendants, and not around the evidence.
I eagerly await the government’s response to Barri and Keith’s new claim for compensation. Keith was released at the court of appeal, but Barri went on to re-trial. Does this mean that Keith will be successful but Barri’s claim will not? After all, if the legal view is that the CPS were not wrong to prosecute Barry George, because they had evidence, and he is not a MOJ because he went for re-trial, then poor Barri will face the same prospect…won’t he?
Lorraine Allen was released by the court of appeals, too. She too was refused compensation, so she took her case to ECHR, and lost…because she did not opt for a re-trial. Barry George DID, and was told this was the reason that he did not qualify. Who can now receive compensation for wrongful conviction?
Questions to ponder…and yet another battle for all of us, to demand fairness from this unjust system.
Michelle (Diskin) Bates
http://thejusticegap.com/2013/09/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock/
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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2017, 09:34:PM »
John Lennon was shot by a person with mental health problems.

Chapman chose Lennon partly because he knew where he lived. Barry George lived only 5 minutes from Dando.

Chapman had the chance to run away. Probably to never be caught. There would then have been lots of theories about the government and paid hit men. When it was simply a crazed individual who had an opportunity due to the celebraity having no security.
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Re: Barry George should face a re-trial under the Double Jeopardy Law
« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2017, 09:45:PM »
John Lennon was shot by a person with mental health problems.

Chapman chose Lennon partly because he knew where he lived.

Chapman had the chance to run away. Probably to never be caught. There would then have been lots of theories about the government and paid hit men. When it was simply a crazed individual who had an opportunity due to the celebraity having no security.

Exactly Adam!

The met police were faced with a serious lack of evidence in this case but it didn't mean it was a professional hit.

Plus the bullet recovered suggested it wasn't a professional hit.

When Barry George was convicted in the 1980's for a sex attack, was his defence his mental health or did he admit to the crime? What did his prison records suggest he suffered from in the 1980's? Was he ever assessed? And if he was, did his diagnoses alter following his arrest for Ms Dando's murder?

How do we know his diagnosis was/is correct?

Did he suffer from epilepsy in the 1980's?
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« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2017, 09:48:PM »
the guy who shot dando did run away so no comparion with mark chapman.