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Re: reasonble doubt and innocent are 2 diffrent things.
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2017, 09:44:PM »
What a silly comparison

Some peoples brains aren't wired properly Justice, as am sure you know.
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2017, 09:45:PM »
exactly if he cant xxxx xxxx xxxxxxxx how the hell comit murder.

I had a short conversion with him once in which he struggled to string a coherent sentence together.

I find it hard to belive hed be up to planning and carry murder
I always wonder what he did with the gun. Did I read somewhere it may have been used again in a shooting in Liverpool?
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2017, 09:45:PM »
Some peoples brains aren't wired properly Justice, as am sure you know.
i thought it was very Lewd?

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2017, 09:47:PM »
i thought it was very Lewd?

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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2017, 10:09:PM »
I always wonder what he did with the gun. Did I read somewhere it may have been used again in a shooting in Liverpool?

in wwich case it couldent of been him.

but i think that was just speculation anyway.

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2017, 02:43:PM »
Just a brief question, are there any people on the Jeremy Bamber Campaign Team who post on this forum whose belief is that Bamber was wrongly sentenced due to questions surrounding the actual evidence proferred (thus MOJ) but admit that it is very possible that he actually committed the shootings?

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2017, 03:24:PM »
im sure there are but i doubt they would say so.

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2017, 10:39:AM »
I must admit I'm unhappy with this (in effect) "not innocent enough" verdict when it comes to compensation, for example, even though I'm pleased it wasn't paid out to Barry George and David Bain.
Proof of David Bain's innocence is straightforward, and compensation was denied to placate national party voters. It was treated in a disgraceful fashion by justice minister Amy Adams, and probably instructed by John Key. The unresolved New Zealand cases are informed to an extent by this travesty perpetrated against Jeremy Bamber.

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2017, 12:56:PM »
barry geordge they know he dident do it but admitting probely opens a whole can of wors and they just don't want to part up with the omey.

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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2017, 02:10:PM »
Barry George had a history of crime and violence.

He was convicted on a 10 - 1 verdict.

His first appeal failed.

His second appeal was based on the unlikely assumption that armed police put the gun shot residue into his jacket when they went to his house to arrest him. However this worked although he was denied compensation.

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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2017, 02:55:PM »
Barry George had a history of crime and violence.

He was convicted on a 10 - 1 verdict.

His first appeal failed. His second appeal was based on the unlikely assumption that armed police put the gun shot residue into his jacket when they went to his house to arrest him. However this worked although he was denied compensation.

Hi Adam,

Are you aware that Barry George's sister, Michelle Diskin, is now a patron of the Jeremy Bamber campaign?

She also once supported the SH campaign.

Following SH's confession Michelle Diskin made the following public statement:

"ANONYMOUS
September 10, 2013 10:04 am
As a family member of a terrible miscarriage of justice, the victim being Barry George, convicted of the murder of Jill Dando; the Simon Hall confession is a concern because it is already so difficult for true MOJs to be believed by the public; this confession damages the credibility of all those still fighting for justice.
But this is just one case. The British Justice System makes many, many more errors when it choses to build its cases around a person, rather than on the actual evidence. One confession is not a comfortable situation for those fighting miscarriages of justice, but is it worse than keeping hundreds of innocents locked up for crimes they did not commit? All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed.
Our justice system uses ‘smoke and mirrors’, rather than real honest evidence to convict. The B George case is one…but the parallels with the Barri White/Keith Hyatt conviction are evident; the case was fitted around the defendants, and not around the evidence.
I eagerly await the government’s response to Barri and Keith’s new claim for compensation. Keith was released at the court of appeal, but Barri went on to re-trial. Does this mean that Keith will be successful but Barri’s claim will not? After all, if the legal view is that the CPS were not wrong to prosecute Barry George, because they had evidence, and he is not a MOJ because he went for re-trial, then poor Barri will face the same prospect…won’t he?
Lorraine Allen was released by the court of appeals, too. She too was refused compensation, so she took her case to ECHR, and lost…because she did not opt for a re-trial. Barry George DID, and was told this was the reason that he did not qualify. Who can now receive compensation for wrongful conviction?
Questions to ponder…and yet another battle for all of us, to demand fairness from this unjust system.
Michelle (Diskin) Bates


I did attempt to highlight this before but as usual the thread was taken off topic and derailed by others with an apparent ulterior agenda.

To confirm, SH was guilty, his motive was to apparently rape his victim, certain individuals knew he had lied (not me) and like many cases of this nature the police made errors.

http://thejusticegap.com/2013/09/simon-hall-confession-a-time-to-take-stock/
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6640.0.html

I found her following statement dismissive for many reasons "All of us who choose to stand up for justice need to take this on the chin, and move on…back to those who deserve to have their cases reviewed and quashed. but not least of all because it shows ignorance and indeed bias and there is nothing objective in this statement.

She refers to smoke and mirrors but doesn't explain what she means by this suggestion.

She also uses the Barry White and Keith Hyatt case as a comparison to her brothers case, but the two cases are poles apart. White and Hyatt were clearly again genuine MOJ victims. Restaurant worker Shahidul Ahmed was eventually found guilty for the Rachel Manning murder.
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Re: reasonble doubt and innocent are 2 diffrent things.
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2017, 02:59:PM »
Barry George had a history of crime and violence.

He was convicted on a 10 - 1 verdict.

His first appeal failed. His second appeal was based on the unlikely assumption that armed police put the gun shot residue into his jacket when they went to his house to arrest him. However this worked although he was denied compensation.

how come the police are now investigating other suspects then surely if they thought it was him they wouldent bother.

and i might point a secound jury found him not guilty i belive by 12 0
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2017, 03:16:PM »
how come the police are now investigating other suspects then surely if they thought it was him they wouldent bother.

Who else has been charged in the last 20 years ?

George lived very near Dando. If he had access to a fire arm and no alibi then he seems a likely suspect.

Similar to Robert Napper, George had many alter ego's. If he was playing out some sort of tough guy image, then killing someone would be an action he would take.

As I said, his lawyers argued in his second appeal that the armed police may have deposited the gun shot residue into George's pocket. In error.

George's retrial ended in his aquittal. Which isn't surprising as the jurors are not going to go against his eventual successful appeal.
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2017, 03:32:PM »
the defense was that he was talking to somone when they rder happend and the jury agread the first jury were not told this.

the police wouldent be reinvstigating the case if they thought he was guilty.
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2017, 03:34:PM »
Who else has been charged in the last 20 years ?

George lived very near Dando. If he had access to a fire arm and no alibi then he seems a likely suspect.

Similar to Robert Napper, George had many alter ego's. If he was playing out some sort of tough guy image, then killing someone would be an action he would take.

As I said, his lawyers argued in his second appeal that the armed police may have deposited the gun shot residue into George's pocket. In error.

George's retrial ended in his aquittal. There is nothing about 12-0.

And as you may know Adam, the double jeopardy law was abolished in 2005, meaning it's still possible Barry George could be re-tried.

His supporters should be careful what they wish for imho. This case has yet to be concluded.

The SH confession taught me many things, not least of all that nothing is as it appears in these cases.
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