reasonble doubt and innocent are 2 diffrent things.

[nugnug]

can anyone get this.

you don't have to be completely convinced of somones innocence to say there conviction is unsafe.

[Jane]

can anyone get this.

you don't have to be completely convinced of somones innocence to say there conviction is unsafe.

But one DOES have to realize that whilst an unsafe conviction is often about a technicality and neither is a guarantee of innocence.

[nugnug]

of course its not but as the law says inocent untill proven guity not guilty untill proven inoncent an unsafe conviction still deserves to be treated as a misscaredge of justice.

[Jane]

of course its not but as the law says inocent untill proven guity not guilty untill proven inoncent an unsafe conviction still deserves to be treated as a misscaredge of justice.

But what may mean unproven to some could just as well mean proven to others. You only have to look at what posters here believe.

[nugnug]

if any of used to convict somone is descrdited then the conviction is unsafe you might say the jury would of convicted anyway but how the hell can you possbly no that without asking them.

[Steve_uk]

I must admit I'm unhappy with this (in effect) "not innocent enough" verdict when it comes to compensation, for example, even though I'm pleased it wasn't paid out to Barry George and David Bain.

[nugnug]

im not happy with the bary geordge sitaun because the fact the police are now looking at other suspects means the more or less exept he dident do it.

[Steve_uk]

im not happy with the bary geordge sitaun because the fact the police are now looking at other suspects means the more or less exept he dident do it.

Well I don't know about Jill Dando, but I was pleased he didn't get any compensation because of this other crime:  http://www.standard.co.uk/news/barry-george-raped-me-by-my-mums-door-then-said-sorry-6890558.html

[notsure]

Well I don't know about Jill Dando, but I was pleased he didn't get any compensation because of this other crime:  http://www.standard.co.uk/news/barry-george-raped-me-by-my-mums-door-then-said-sorry-6890558.html

I didn't know that about barry george steve, I'm glad too he didn't get any compensation.

why David ba in though?

I am of the opinion that if the person is clean in all other respects and it is a moj then they do deserve compensation. I simply cannot imagine what it must be like to be locked up for something you haven't done the told sorry, here's 46 quid off you go get on with your life. That must be awful

[Steve_uk]

I didn't know that about barry george steve, I'm glad too he didn't get any compensation.

why David ba in though?

I am of the opinion that if the person is clean in all other respects and it is a moj then they do deserve compensation. I simply cannot imagine what it must be like to be locked up for something you haven't done the told sorry, here's 46 quid off you go get on with your life. That must be awful

I think because David Bain was extremely lucky to have been released, let alone be compensated (it wasn't technically compensation-legally it was an ex gratia payment but as far as I'm aware the $925,000 is still his to do with what he pleases). It was a case which divided New Zealand and ended up in the Privy Council in London. He was granted a retrial at which he did not personally testify. There followed reports commissioned by the New Zealand Cabinet on whether to pay him compensation. I would hazard a guess that someone in Royal circles told the New Zealand legal fraternity to sort it out and so the messy compromise was reached. The fact remains that without the input of ex-rugby star and national hero Joe Karam David Bain would still be languishing behind bars for the murder of five members of his family, where to my mind he belongs.

[nugnug]

i think if ethere of you met barry geordge you would have no doubt about his innocence.

[guest7363]

i think if ethere of you met barry geordge you would have no doubt about his innocence.

What for this?

In March 1983 he was jailed for 33 months for attempted rape under another of his aliases – Steve Majors, which he borrowed from TV series The Six Million Dollar Man.

It lists previous convictions including indecent assault. In 1981 he received a suspended three-month jail term for the sex attack.

He was also fined in 1980 for impersonating an officer.

[Stephanie]

What for this?

In March 1983 he was jailed for 33 months for attempted rape under another of his aliases – Steve Majors, which he borrowed from TV series The Six Million Dollar Man.

It lists previous convictions including indecent assault. In 1981 he received a suspended three-month jail term for the sex attack.

He was also fined in 1980 for impersonating an officer.

Barry George's sister is a patron of Bamber's campaign.

[nugnug]

exactly if he can't even xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx how the hell comit murder.

I had a short conversion with him once in which he struggled to string a coherent sentence together.

I find it hard to belive hed be up to planning and carry out murder

[guest7363]

exactly if he cant even xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx how the hell comit murder.

I had a short conversion with him once in which he struggled to string a coherent sentence together.

I find it hard to belive hed be up to planning and carry murder

What a silly comparison