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Wordsmiths And How Truth Becomes Hidden Or Manipulated
« on: January 13, 2017, 08:20:AM »
I was amused to read, on another forum, where a move seems to be afoot to spring Jeremy from his confinement, how the jury had, allegedly been mislead by RWB who said, on oath, that he wouldn't benefit financially from Jeremy's conviction and revealed that Jeremy had told him "I could easily kill my parents"!!!! We appear to be asked to put aside the fact that Jeremy uttered those words to focus on the fact that RWB -NOT my favourite character but I can't hold that against him- didn't tell the truth when he said he wouldn't benefit. Well, YES, he did! He gave a truthful answer to the question he was asked and SURELY the main thrust WASN'T about whether or not he'd benefit, but what Jeremy said. THIS has been blurred.

There have been other incidents since I've been on this forum -many of them scurrilous and totally untrue slurs on Sheila- to divert attention from the known facts. Shove in some frills, get people to concentrate on those and the facts get forgotten.overlooked/hidden. The fact remains that 31 years ago a jury convicted Jeremy and despite numerous attempts to con money from his family/obtain his release, it's clearly not considered that he's safe to be allowed back into the public -his trial judge said, at the time, it remained to be seen- and attempts by those here to draw every agency, in the Kingdom, into a mass conspiracy is just another attempt at blurring the truth.

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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2017, 08:44:AM »
I was amused to read, on another forum, where a move seems to be afoot to spring Jeremy from his confinement, how the jury had, allegedly been mislead by RWB who said, on oath, that he wouldn't benefit financially from Jeremy's conviction and revealed that Jeremy had told him "I could easily kill my parents"!!!! We appear to be asked to put aside the fact that Jeremy uttered those words to focus on the fact that RWB -NOT my favourite character but I can't hold that against him- didn't tell the truth when he said he wouldn't benefit. Well, YES, he did! He gave a truthful answer to the question he was asked and SURELY the main thrust WASN'T about whether or not he'd benefit, but what Jeremy said. THIS has been blurred.

There have been other incidents since I've been on this forum -many of them scurrilous and totally untrue slurs on Sheila- to divert attention from the known facts. Shove in some frills, get people to concentrate on those and the facts get forgotten.overlooked/hidden. The fact remains that 31 years ago a jury convicted Jeremy and despite numerous attempts to con money from his family/obtain his release, it's clearly not considered that he's safe to be allowed back into the public -his trial judge said, at the time, it remained to be seen- and attempts by those here to draw every agency, in the Kingdom, into a mass conspiracy is just another attempt at blurring the truth.

Excellent thread title and indeed post Jane! Will be coming back to post here for sure..

I typed into google Wordsmiths and manipulation and this was the first article that came up. Interesting hey!?

"THE WORDSMITHS FORGE

http://www.friedgreentomatoes.org/articles/emotional_manipulation.php

"Emotional Manipulation is Also "Covert Aggression." See: "Psychopaths: Wolves in Sheep's Clothing" Here is a list adapted from an article by Fiona McColl

1) There is no use in trying to be honest with an emotional manipulator. You make a statement and it will be turned around. Example: I am really angry that you forgot my birthday. Response - "It makes me feel sad that you would think I would forget your birthday, I should have told you of the great personal stress I am facing at the moment - but you see I didn’t want to trouble you. You are right I should have put all this pain (don’t be surprised to see real tears at this point) aside and focused on your birthday. Sorry." Even as you are hearing the words you get the creeped out sensation that they really do NOT mean they are sorry at all - but since they’ve said the words you’re pretty much left with nothing more to say. Either that or you suddenly find yourself babysitting their angst!! Under all circumstances if you feel this angle is being played - don’t capitulate! Do not care take - do not accept an apology that feels like bullshit. If it feels like bullshit - it probably is. Rule number one - if dealing with an emotional blackmailer TRUST your gut. TRUST your senses. Once an emotional manipulator finds a successful maneuver - it’s added to their hit list and you’ll be fed a steady diet of this shit.

2) An emotional manipulator is the picture of a willing helper. If you ask them to do something they will almost always agree - that is IF they didn’t volunteer to do it first. Then when you say, "ok thanks" - they make a bunch of heavy sighs, or other non verbal signs that let you know they don’t really want to do whatever said thing happens to be. When you tell them it doesn’t seem like they want to do whatever - they will turn it around and try to make it seem like OF COURSE they wanted to and how unreasonable you are. This is a form of crazy making - which is something emotional manipulators are very good at. Rule number two - If an emotional manipulator said YES - make them accountable for it. Do NOT buy into the sighs and subtleties - if they don’t want to do it - make them tell you it up front - or just put on the walk-man headphones and run a bath and leave them to their theater.

3) Crazy making - saying one thing and later assuring you they did not say it. If you find yourself in a relationship where you figure you should start keeping a log of what’s been said because you are beginning to question your own sanity --You are experiencing emotional manipulation. An emotional manipulator is an expert in turning things around, rationalizing, justifying and explaining things away. They can lie so smoothly that you can sit looking at black and they’ll call it white - and argue so persuasively that you begin to doubt your very senses. Over a period of time this is so insidious and eroding it can literally alter your sense of reality. WARNING: Emotional Manipulation is VERY Dangerous! It is very disconcerting for an emotional manipulator if you begin carrying a pad of paper and a pen and making notations during conversations. Feel free to let them know you just are feeling so "forgetful" these days that you want to record their words for posterity’s sake. The damndest thing about this is that having to do such a thing is a clear example for why you should be seriously thinking about removing yourself from range in the first place. If you’re toting a notebook to safeguard yourself - that ol’ bullshit meter should be flashing steady by now!

4) Guilt. Emotional manipulators are excellent guilt mongers. They can make you feel guilty for speaking up or not speaking up, for being emotional or not being emotional enough, for giving and caring, or for not giving and caring enough. Any thing is fair game and open to guilt with an emotional manipulator. Emotional manipulators seldom express their needs or desires openly - they get what they want through emotional manipulation. Guilt is not the only form of this but it is a potent one. Most of us are pretty conditioned to do whatever is necessary to reduce our feelings of guilt. Another powerful emotion that is used is sympathy. An emotional manipulator is a great victim. They inspire a profound sense of needing to support, care for and nurture. Emotional Manipulators seldom fight their own fights or do their own dirty work. The crazy thing is that when you do it for them (which they will never ask directly for), they may just turn around and say they certainly didn’t want or expect you to do anything! Try to make a point of not fighting other people’s battles, or doing their dirty work for them. A great line is "I have every confidence in your ability to work this out on your own" - check out the response and note the bullshit meter once again.

5) Emotional manipulators fight dirty. They don’t deal with things directly. They will talk around behind your back and eventually put others in the position of telling you what they would not say themselves. They are passive aggressive, meaning they find subtle ways of letting you know they are not happy little campers. They’ll tell you what they think you want to hear and then do a bunch of jerk off shit to undermine it. Example: "Of course I want you to go back to school honey and you know I’ll support you." Then exam night you are sitting at the table and poker buddies show up, the kids are crying the t.v. blasting and the dog needs walking - all the while "Sweetie" is sitting on their ass looking at you blankly. Dare you call them on such behavior you are likely to hear, "well you can’t expect life to just stop because you have an exam can you honey?" Cry, scream or choke ‘em - only the last will have any long-term benefits and it’ll probably wind your butt in jail.

6) If you have a headache an emotional manipulator will have a brain tumor! No matter what your situation is the emotional manipulator has probably been there or is there now - but only ten times worse. It’s hard after a period of time to feel emotionally connected to an emotional manipulator because they have a way of de-railing conversations and putting the spotlight back on themselves. If you call them on this behavior they will likely become deeply wounded or very petulant and call you selfish - or claim that it is you who are always in the spotlight. The thing is that even tho you know this is not the case you are left with the impossible task of proving it. Don’t bother - TRUST your gut and walk away!

7) Emotional manipulators somehow have the ability to impact the emotional climate of those around them. When an emotional manipulator is sad or angry the very room thrums with it - it brings a deep instinctual response to find someway to equalize the emotional climate and the quickest route is by making the emotional manipulator feel better - fixing whatever is broken for them. Stick with this type of loser for too long and you will be so enmeshed and co-dependent you will forget you even have needs - let alone that you have just as much right to have your needs met.

8) Emotional manipulators have no sense of accountability. They take no responsibility for themselves or their behavior - it is always about what everyone else has "done to them". One of the easiest ways to spot an emotional manipulator is that they often attempt to establish intimacy through the early sharing of deeply personal information that is generally of the "hook-you-in-and-make-you-sorry-for-me" variety. Initially you may perceive this type of person as very sensitive, emotionally open and maybe a little vulnerable. Believe me when I say that an emotional manipulator is about as vulnerable as a rabid pit bull, and there will always be a problem or a crisis to overcome.
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Re: Wordsmiths And How Truth Becomes Hidden Or Manipulated
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2017, 09:12:AM »
I've learned a new word also FLOG - instead of Blog.  ;D ;D

"FLOG - Fake Blog, intended to manipulate users into thinking a subject is being discussed by disinterested parties when in fact the parties have strong financial or other interest and the blog subject was not incidental, but calculated to "advertise" the product. https://wordsmith.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=187709


ignis fatuus
By jill

"Enveloped in a cocoon
Safe in a protective crowd
Intent in this technique
Forever shielding himself

Lost in glorified illusion
To keep from coming apart
His ugly unknown truth
Self-serving lies

A knife looming
Forever in darkness
Threatening to shred
Threadbare foundation

Alone in the corner
When everyone has gone
Haunted by echoes
Broken wailing hearts

Eloquently manipulated
Some forever scarred
All unknowing victims
His sick twisted vice

https://wordsmithextraordinaire.wordpress.com/tag/manipulation/
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Re: Wordsmiths And How Truth Becomes Hidden Or Manipulated
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 09:25:AM »
I was amused to read, on another forum, where a move seems to be afoot to spring Jeremy from his confinement, how the jury had, allegedly been mislead by RWB who said, on oath, that he wouldn't benefit financially from Jeremy's conviction and revealed that Jeremy had told him "I could easily kill my parents"!!!! We appear to be asked to put aside the fact that Jeremy uttered those words to focus on the fact that RWB -NOT my favourite character but I can't hold that against him- didn't tell the truth when he said he wouldn't benefit. Well, YES, he did! He gave a truthful answer to the question he was asked and SURELY the main thrust WASN'T about whether or not he'd benefit, but what Jeremy said. THIS has been blurred.

There have been other incidents since I've been on this forum -many of them scurrilous and totally untrue slurs on Sheila- to divert attention from the known facts. Shove in some frills, get people to concentrate on those and the facts get forgotten.overlooked/hidden. The fact remains that 31 years ago a jury convicted Jeremy and despite numerous attempts to con money from his family/obtain his release, it's clearly not considered that he's safe to be allowed back into the public -his trial judge said, at the time, it remained to be seen- and attempts by those here to draw every agency, in the Kingdom, into a mass conspiracy is just another attempt at blurring the truth.

I have known many people who think they have this down to a fine art but once bitten it's not difficult to decipher and see what lurks beneath.  ::) http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8040.0.html


Textuality and Text Manipulation
"But we often fail to remember that text is symbolic, that it is devoid of meaning but for the meaning we assign to it, and it’s more the fact that we’ve been accustomed to doing so over the course of our lives that makes it harder for most people to simply “see” a word or a letter without assigning it some kind of significance. Manipulating text in a visual setting outside of typical text formatting can help to sort of jog the brain, to remind us that these symbols are just tools, and moreover, that they are first and foremost visual elements that can be manipulated in a myriad of ways. Experiments like the one below can trigger a kind of double vision towards text that helps us to see the symbols for what they are (simple marks that often repeat and combine), while simultaneously allowing us to see words with fresh eyes, when text is taken out of its usually rigid context. http://timothymerritt.com/blog/textuality-and-text-manipulation/
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 10:14:AM »
I was amused to read, on another forum, where a move seems to be afoot to spring Jeremy from his confinement, how the jury had, allegedly been mislead by RWB who said, on oath, that he wouldn't benefit financially from Jeremy's conviction and revealed that Jeremy had told him "I could easily kill my parents"!!!! We appear to be asked to put aside the fact that Jeremy uttered those words to focus on the fact that RWB -NOT my favourite character but I can't hold that against him- didn't tell the truth when he said he wouldn't benefit. Well, YES, he did! He gave a truthful answer to the question he was asked and SURELY the main thrust WASN'T about whether or not he'd benefit, but what Jeremy said. THIS has been blurred.

There have been other incidents since I've been on this forum -many of them scurrilous and totally untrue slurs on Sheila- to divert attention from the known facts. Shove in some frills, get people to concentrate on those and the facts get forgotten.overlooked/hidden. The fact remains that 31 years ago a jury convicted Jeremy and despite numerous attempts to con money from his family/obtain his release, it's clearly not considered that he's safe to be allowed back into the public -his trial judge said, at the time, it remained to be seen- and attempts by those here to draw every agency, in the Kingdom, into a mass conspiracy is just another attempt at blurring the truth.
I think Jane this was covered at trial and dealt with in the 2002 Appeal ground 10.

Ground 10 – the question of inheritance 422. Ground 10 is a complaint that the prosecution failed to disclose that Robert Boutflour, the appellant's uncle, who gave evidence for the prosecution, whilst having no direct interest in the Bamber estate was aware that if the Appellant inherited, he intended to sell what he could, thereby disposing of what had been a part of Robert Boutflour's wife's family's estate.

423. June Bamber's sister, Pamela, was married to Robert Boutflour. He gave evidence that in about March 1985 the appellant had made a remark "Oh Uncle Bobby, I could kill anybody. I could easily kill my parents." This allegation was categorically denied by the appellant, and when he was in the witness box and under cross-examination he was asked by Mr Arlidge QC whether he knew of any reason that Mr Boutflour might have for making such an untrue allegation. The appellant's reply was (transcript PMS/15 page 54):

"I can only surmise reasons. I don't know any specifics, but I can only surmise reasons, and I think it is very dangerous to do so."

424. On the same day, the jury asked a question of some relevance. We have the jury note, and it reads:

"If Jeremy Bamber was found guilty and imprisoned for many years, who would be the beneficiaries of the Bamber estate and monies? Could it be his uncle and family? A possible reason or motive for Robert Boutflour's statement about Jeremy being able to kill his own parents."

425. As a result of this question, a statement was taken from Mr Boutflour dealing with his understanding of the legal position. This was to the effect that on the assumption that the five deceased persons died in order of seniority he personally would have had no claim on the estate and would not have benefited in any way. However, Mr Lawson, QC, no doubt having carried out the necessary research, produced an agreed note for the jury which is acknowledged before us as being an accurate statement of the law. This can also be summarised to the effect that if the deceased died in order of seniority (presumed in the absence of contrary evidence) or if Sheila was found to have survived her parents then, subject only to any specific legacies in any wills (as to which no-one had any information) the Bamber estates would pass to June Bamber's and Pamela Boutflour's mother, Mabel Speakman. At the relevant time Mrs Speakman was a very old lady and died shortly thereafter. Accordingly and subject to any specific bequests, and the establishing by the Court of the order of death, there was a real possibility that the Boutflour family, in the person of Pamela Boutflour, would benefit if any interest that Jeremy Bamber might otherwise have had in those estates were forfeited by reason of his conviction for murder.

426. Plainly, this was an issue to which the entire defence team must have been alive - as was the jury. However, in the internal Essex Police review conducted by Superintendent Dickinson, the following passage appears:

"44….The conviction of Jeremy Bamber for murder is likely to result in material benefit to the Boutflour family. It was known to the Boutflours that had Jeremy inherited the estate he intended to sell what he could, thereby disposing of what had been part of the Speakman family estate. In addition to this, he would have sold an area of land which, unknown to any member of the family, Ralph Bamber had purchased intending to sell it at a later date to Peter and Anne Eaton when they had sufficient funds. This piece of land had previously been owned by the Eaton family.

45.It is not suggested that this interest in any way influenced the Boutflours in what they told the police during the investigation: it was however known to the senior investigating officer during the initial stages and may have been a factor which affected the level of credence he placed upon the information given by the relatives."

427. No-one is able to supply the basis for the comments contained in these paragraphs. The senior investigating officer during the initial stages was DCI Jones, and he tragically died in an accident in the Spring of 1986, prior to trial. Mr Robert Boutflour is now a very old man and is, we are told, unfit to give evidence. But there is not now and never has been any admissible evidence available to the prosecution which could or should have been disclosed to the defence, since Mr Turner rightly concedes that the views or beliefs of an investigating officer are immaterial and inadmissible. If anybody had any evidence to give in respect of this topic it could only have been Mr Jeremy Bamber himself, as the so called "knowledge" of the Boutflours could only have been based upon something that he himself had said. He declined to proffer any such explanation when invited to do so by Mr Arlidge QC in cross-examination, and if he thought that there was any realistic possibility that such a consideration might have influenced Mr Robert Boutflour in the evidence that he was willing to give then we can see no reason why he should not have put it forward for the jury's consideration. As it seems to us, by no stretch of the imagination can the contents of the paragraphs quoted from the Essex review be regarded as fresh evidence. In truth they are not evidence at all. In our judgment there is nothing in this ground of appeal either. Equally it seems to us that even if evidence was available to show that Robert Boutflour was aware that the appellant intended to sell his inheritance, this could not have had any significantly greater impact on the jury than the correct answer to their question which was given to them.

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Re: Wordsmiths And How Truth Becomes Hidden Or Manipulated
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2017, 10:53:AM »
Entered the pit of despair have we? 

The guilt frenzy is becoming kamikaze!

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2017, 11:16:AM »
I think Jane this was covered at trial and dealt with in the 2002 Appeal ground 10.

Ground 10 – the question of inheritance 422. Ground 10 is a complaint that the prosecution failed to disclose that Robert Boutflour, the appellant's uncle, who gave evidence for the prosecution, whilst having no direct interest in the Bamber estate was aware that if the Appellant inherited, he intended to sell what he could, thereby disposing of what had been a part of Robert Boutflour's wife's family's estate.

423. June Bamber's sister, Pamela, was married to Robert Boutflour. He gave evidence that in about March 1985 the appellant had made a remark "Oh Uncle Bobby, I could kill anybody. I could easily kill my parents." This allegation was categorically denied by the appellant, and when he was in the witness box and under cross-examination he was asked by Mr Arlidge QC whether he knew of any reason that Mr Boutflour might have for making such an untrue allegation. The appellant's reply was (transcript PMS/15 page 54):

"I can only surmise reasons. I don't know any specifics, but I can only surmise reasons, and I think it is very dangerous to do so."

424. On the same day, the jury asked a question of some relevance. We have the jury note, and it reads:

"If Jeremy Bamber was found guilty and imprisoned for many years, who would be the beneficiaries of the Bamber estate and monies? Could it be his uncle and family? A possible reason or motive for Robert Boutflour's statement about Jeremy being able to kill his own parents."

425. As a result of this question, a statement was taken from Mr Boutflour dealing with his understanding of the legal position. This was to the effect that on the assumption that the five deceased persons died in order of seniority he personally would have had no claim on the estate and would not have benefited in any way. However, Mr Lawson, QC, no doubt having carried out the necessary research, produced an agreed note for the jury which is acknowledged before us as being an accurate statement of the law. This can also be summarised to the effect that if the deceased died in order of seniority (presumed in the absence of contrary evidence) or if Sheila was found to have survived her parents then, subject only to any specific legacies in any wills (as to which no-one had any information) the Bamber estates would pass to June Bamber's and Pamela Boutflour's mother, Mabel Speakman. At the relevant time Mrs Speakman was a very old lady and died shortly thereafter. Accordingly and subject to any specific bequests, and the establishing by the Court of the order of death, there was a real possibility that the Boutflour family, in the person of Pamela Boutflour, would benefit if any interest that Jeremy Bamber might otherwise have had in those estates were forfeited by reason of his conviction for murder.

426. Plainly, this was an issue to which the entire defence team must have been alive - as was the jury. However, in the internal Essex Police review conducted by Superintendent Dickinson, the following passage appears:

"44….The conviction of Jeremy Bamber for murder is likely to result in material benefit to the Boutflour family. It was known to the Boutflours that had Jeremy inherited the estate he intended to sell what he could, thereby disposing of what had been part of the Speakman family estate. In addition to this, he would have sold an area of land which, unknown to any member of the family, Ralph Bamber had purchased intending to sell it at a later date to Peter and Anne Eaton when they had sufficient funds. This piece of land had previously been owned by the Eaton family.

45.It is not suggested that this interest in any way influenced the Boutflours in what they told the police during the investigation: it was however known to the senior investigating officer during the initial stages and may have been a factor which affected the level of credence he placed upon the information given by the relatives."

427. No-one is able to supply the basis for the comments contained in these paragraphs. The senior investigating officer during the initial stages was DCI Jones, and he tragically died in an accident in the Spring of 1986, prior to trial. Mr Robert Boutflour is now a very old man and is, we are told, unfit to give evidence. But there is not now and never has been any admissible evidence available to the prosecution which could or should have been disclosed to the defence, since Mr Turner rightly concedes that the views or beliefs of an investigating officer are immaterial and inadmissible. If anybody had any evidence to give in respect of this topic it could only have been Mr Jeremy Bamber himself, as the so called "knowledge" of the Boutflours could only have been based upon something that he himself had said. He declined to proffer any such explanation when invited to do so by Mr Arlidge QC in cross-examination, and if he thought that there was any realistic possibility that such a consideration might have influenced Mr Robert Boutflour in the evidence that he was willing to give then we can see no reason why he should not have put it forward for the jury's consideration. As it seems to us, by no stretch of the imagination can the contents of the paragraphs quoted from the Essex review be regarded as fresh evidence. In truth they are not evidence at all. In our judgment there is nothing in this ground of appeal either. Equally it seems to us that even if evidence was available to show that Robert Boutflour was aware that the appellant intended to sell his inheritance, this could not have had any significantly greater impact on the jury than the correct answer to their question which was given to them.

Thanks for that, Justice. I see David followed you. I'm guessing he's he's feeling scared but I won't be taking him off ignore to find out.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 11:27:AM »
Thanks for that, Justice. I see David followed you. I'm guessing he's he's feeling scared but I won't be taking him off ignore to find out.
David who?

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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2017, 11:54:AM »
Thanks for that, Justice. I see David followed you. I'm guessing he's he's feeling scared but I won't be taking him off ignore to find out.

I've got David on ignore too  ;D ;D  Some people may be fooled but I am not. The game was given away when the alleged letter from SH was posted (cira 2005) and no source given.  ::)
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2017, 12:02:PM »
Thanks for that, Justice. I see David followed you. I'm guessing he's he's feeling scared but I won't be taking him off ignore to find out.

To be fair, Jane J has brought up a very important point. These 'Wordsmiths' are a problem and continue to distort. That is why its important to attach documented case evidence that corroborates and provides proof of conformity to facts.

Here is a good example

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8025.0.html

and even better

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6795.0.html

This brings me to a rather pragmatic question - why does Jane J never post such documented case evidence to verify her claims?  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2017, 12:06:PM »
I've got David on ignore too  ;D ;D  Some people may be fooled but I am not. The game was given away when the alleged letter from SH was posted (cira 2005) and no source given::)

What do you call this then?  ::)

http://web.archive.org/web/20080807142501/http://justice4simon.co.uk/messages_from_simon/02.php

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2017, 12:14:PM »
I've got David on ignore too  ;D ;D  Some people may be fooled but I am not. The game was given away when the alleged letter from SH was posted (cira 2005) and no source given.  ::)

The behaviour exhibited thus far is that of a child who isn't part of a group but continually announces that it has -in this case, KNOWS--something they don't and goes on to brag about it. It's called attention seeking. Those who genuinely have something don't exhibit such puerile traits. They're too busy working on their find to take childish pleasure in ridiculing others.

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2017, 12:38:PM »
The behaviour exhibited thus far is that of a child who isn't part of a group but continually announces that it has -in this case, KNOWS--something they don't and goes on to brag about it. It's called attention seeking. Those who genuinely have something don't exhibit such puerile traits. They're too busy working on their find to take childish pleasure in ridiculing others.

Agreed!
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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2017, 12:51:PM »
The behaviour exhibited thus far is that of a child who isn't part of a group but continually announces that it has -in this case, KNOWS--something they don't and goes on to brag about it. It's called attention seeking. Those who genuinely have something don't exhibit such puerile traits. They're too busy working on their find to take childish pleasure in ridiculing others.

well it seems we all have someone on ignore ! What does that tell us about our forum, pretty sad really.

However I feel David does post some good stuff and always tries to back his posts with sources/ evidence/etc I find them interesting.