Author Topic: After He called police at 3.36am, Jeremy was put on hold immediately for 5 min's  (Read 12374 times)

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Offline Jane

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Re-education on police procedures wouldn't go amiss. I remember Adam saying that all JB answered questions with was----" No Comment ".
That's all I'd say too to avoid words being put into my mouth !!

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I shall reiterate once again that his first statement was taken BEFORE Jeremy became a suspect and as such, the 'specifics' of what Jeremy said weren't as important as the basics. Once he became a suspect a more detailed account of what he actually said would have been the prime objective. In this case, they aren't 'discrepancies' simply more detailed and specific information in respect to Bamber himself.

Good points Caroline.

I also think it may help Reader to forget about innocence or guilt and start from scratch, as though the murders have just occurred. Forget about all that has been written and said about all those involved but start with Jeremy's evidence first.

His first statement isn't taken at the police station either, it's taken in the presence of others, at his home.

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Re-education on police procedures wouldn't go amiss. I remember Adam saying that all JB answered questions with was----" No Comment ".
That's all I'd say too to avoid words being put into my mouth !!

Does this mean you haven't read Jeremy's statements?

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According to his second statement and his evidence at trial, yes, but there's no mention of this in his first statement. Another discrepancy is that Pc West had stated that his conversations with Bonnett and Witham (Pc Saxby) each lasted about 3 minutes, but when cross-examined at trial he said "I would have said, in fact, 3 minutes was the total of the two conversations", thus indicating that Jeremy was put on hold for about 3 minutes rather than about 6 minutes. This is a significant difference, as it allows Jeremy enough time to arrive at WHF by the time suggested by the call logs.

According to the note on Neville Bambers 3.26am (C1) Communications log, the occupants of CA07 set off to attend the incident at WHF at 3.35am, and arrived there at 3.48am. According to the occupants of CA07, Jeremy arrived there 3 to 4 minutes afterwards (around 3.52)...
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According to the note on Neville Bambers 3.26am (C1) Communications log, the occupants of CA07 set off to attend the incident at WHF at 3.35am, and arrived there at 3.48am. According to the occupants of CA07, Jeremy arrived there 3 to 4 minutes afterwards (around 3.52)...
Its about 11 miles there one route and 10miles the other route but ''this route is slower.  20 mins and 23 mins?

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CA7 travelled at speed from Chelmsford to WHF.
CA7 was at Witham (around 10.4 miles from WHF, depending on route), not Chelmsford.

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Its recorded on Nevilles (C1) Communication log, that the occupants arrived at the scene at 3.48am, and we know that they were not deployed to the incident until 3.35am. We know they were deployed before Jeremy called Chelmsford at 3.36am.  We know
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Apparently, Pc Saxby's pocketbook gave 03:20 as the time he returned to Witham police station, 03:35 as the time when he received a radio message from HQ regarding WHF, and 03:39 as the time when CA07 set out for WHF.

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Apparently, Pc Saxby's pocketbook gave 03:20 as the time he returned to Witham police station, 03:35 as the time when he received a radio message from HQ regarding WHF, and 03:39 as the time when CA07 set out for WHF.

So Bamber didn't call the police at 03:36!
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Apparently, Pc Saxby's pocketbook gave 03:20 as the time he returned to Witham police station, 03:35 as the time when he received a radio message from HQ regarding WHF, and 03:39 as the time when CA07 set out for WHF.

And in 'Malcom' Bonnetts 'Communication log' the occupants of CA07 were deployed to event at whf at 3.48am, arriving there at 3.48am!
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And in 'Malcom' Bonnetts 'Communication log' the occupants of CA07 were deployed to event at whf at 3.48am, arriving there at 3.48am!

Infact, a book full of timed events regarding the times various police units were not only deployed to the event at whf, but the precise times each unit arrived at the scene! All inaccurately timed, then?
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Infact, a book full of timed events regarding the times various police units were not only deployed to the event at whf, but the precise times each unit arrived at the scene! All inaccurately timed, then?

I don't think so!!!
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I don't think much of what the occupants of CA97 have to say can be treated as impartial evidence. We cannot believe everything they say! These coppers were at the hub of the police investigation since prior to Jeremy contacting Chelmsford police station at around 3.36am, and being placed on hold for around 5 minutes before finally being able to speak to PC West at all!!!

Crew of CA07 witnessing the figure inside the main bedroom via the main bedroom window moving around unexplainably, and the follow up 'situation report' requesting that the firearm team should be deployed to the scene! Add to this, the knowlege that the crew of CA07 had regarding the discovery of two bodies upon entry to the farmhouse kitchen at around 7.37am, and only a further three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am!!!

How can anyone trust anything said by Bews, Myall and Saxby, when they deliberately fail to deal with, either by way of notebook entry, or in a witness statement, the sighting of a person in the bedroom, or the fact that Sheila Caffells body was discovered downstairs in the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bamber upon entry to the kitchen by firearm officers? Notice how, the occupants of CA07 choose to fudge these important issues of the case! See how they don't seek to alter the times of police messages (7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am) that were past, by claiming that these messages had been passed 10 minutes sooner, or later, than 7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am!

You can't trust coppers like these, who are selective about what to mention in witness statements, and pocketbook entries! Clearly, their involvement in the relaying of the key police messages between the scene and the control room at 7.37am, 7.38am,  and 8.10am, now arguably being the focal point of any fresh application to get Jeremy Bambers case back to the court of appeal with a view of quashing these convictions!
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I don't think much of what the occupants of CA97 have to say can be treated as impartial evidence. We cannot believe everything they say! These coppers were at the hub of the police investigation since prior to Jeremy contacting Chelmsford police station at around 3.36am, and being placed on hold for around 5 minutes before finally being able to speak to PC West at all!!!

Crew of CA07 witnessing the figure inside the main bedroom via the main bedroom window moving around unexplainably, and the follow up 'situation report' requesting that the firearm team should be deployed to the scene! Add to this, the knowlege that the crew of CA07 had regarding the discovery of two bodies upon entry to the farmhouse kitchen at around 7.37am, and only a further three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am!!!

How can anyone trust anything said by Bews, Myall and Saxby, when they deliberately fail to deal with, either by way of notebook entry, or in a witness statement, the sighting of a person in the bedroom, or the fact that Sheila Caffells body was discovered downstairs in the kitchen along with the body of Neville Bamber upon entry to the kitchen by firearm officers? Notice how, the occupants of CA07 choose to fudge these important issues of the case! See how they don't seek to alter the times of police messages (7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am) that were past, by claiming that these messages had been passed 10 minutes sooner, or later, than 7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am!

You can't trust coppers like these, who are selective about what to mention in witness statements, and pocketbook entries! Clearly, their involvement in the relaying of the key police messages between the scene and the control room at 7.37am, 7.38am,  and 8.10am, now arguably being the focal point of any fresh application to get Jeremy Bambers case back to the court of appeal with a view of quashing these convictions!
The occupants of CA07 being Jeremy's alibi witnesses to the fact that he did not kill his sister on the main bedroom rifle by shooting her dead there, any sooner than 8.10am! He could not have shot and killed her there on the bedroom floor with use of the only rifle found upstairs being spotted resting against the first floor box room window at around 7.15am. He could not have staged his sister's death scene there on the main bedroom floor with use of 'that' rifle any time until after 8.10am. This being the case, and supported by the messages relayed from the scene by the occupants of CA07 at 7.37am, 7.38am, and 8.10am, as recorded by the keepers of these police message log contents, which are admissible in evidence!!!
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The matter goes further! Since, not only is this about the involvement of the occupants of CA07 in a Conspiracy to suppress the truth regarding the number of bodies found to be present once firearm officers entered the kitchen of the farmhouse at 7.37am, 7.38am, but also the fact that they only found three bodies upstairs by 8.10am! Who gave them (a) that information that two bodies were present inside the kitchen upon entry? Who did they relay (b) that information to? Who gave them (c) that information that by 8.10am, only three bodies were present upstairs? And, who (d) did they relay that information to?
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