gresham school sex abuse allegation.

[Jane]

From what I recall of the books the evidence was that Jeremy told Brett Collins who (knowing his character again from the literature on the case) blabbed to all and sundry. Apparently he had been sexually abused by older pupils. He in turn became a bully himself to the new cohorts, but again this is all unsubstantiated.

Steve, if we take out the unsubstantiated -and this forum abounds with it- I wonder just what we'd be left with?

[Stephanie]

Thank you Lookout
Simon Hall was a sexual deviant, not to be compared

Jeremy does not need to deny rubbish from that book

I have been in contact over the years with a famous TV reporter who went to school with JB and he definately believes JB to be innocent

Anyone who can murder in the way in which Jeremy Bamber and Simon Hall did, then show no remorse. are cut from the same cloth. I've stated this before, just because you can't see it Jackie doesn't mean others can't.

The fact that they both appear to crave attention from the public also shows similarities. And of course the fact that they are able to manipulate and control others to the degree they have also shows similarities.

We do not know all the details of Jeremy Bamber's crimes yet and may never know unless he confesses and discloses details. But I do recall part of a tampon was found by AE at the crime scene. You may be surprised to learn what some of these men do with women's tampons.

[Jane]

When you think about it,there wasn't one person who'd been classed as reliable in their descriptions/statements of JB,and those who were,and went to the trouble of writing out character references about him,were snubbed when it came to presenting them in court-----------as they were never shown,why ?

Lookout, to be fair, I haven't seen ANY character references supporting him PRIOR to the murders. Surely, if what you say is true, we'd have got to hear about it at some point overt the past 30 years. I have the feeling that Jeremy wasn't, generally, well liked. His prison persona maybe much more likeable that was his previous personality.

[lookout]

Do you mind,I'm eating Turkish Delight here.

[nugnug]

From what I recall of the books the evidence was that Jeremy told Brett Collins who (knowing his character again from the literature on the case) blabbed to all and sundry. Apparently he had been sexually abused by older pupils. He in turn became a bully himself to the new cohorts, but again this is all unsubstantiated.

thanks steve.

so its brett colins the ever convent  source seeing as nobody would be able to trace him and ask him if he could confirm it.

they bloke whose buggered of to new zealand said it.

[Stephanie]

So once again there is NO evidence apart from someone trying to make some money and sell a book

Is this what you are suggesting Sandra Lean also did?

[nugnug]

but brett colins couldent of been the person who told powel about becouse he wasnt around when she wa writing the book so who would her source have been.

[Steve_uk]

but brett colins couldent of been the person who told powel about becouse he wasnt around when she wa writing the book so who would her source have been.

She could have contacted him or it could have been the Housemaster(whose name I forget) or the Headmaster Logie Bruce-Lockhart.

[lookout]

Nugs,it was mainly the police,relatives and JB. I'm not sure if CP visited JB or they exchanged letters,I've forgotten that bit.
Sheila's friend Tara too if I remember rightly.
I haven't got the book to hand at the minute.

[JackiePreece]

Anyone who can murder in the way in which Jeremy Bamber and Simon Hall did, then show no remorse. are cut from the same cloth. I've stated this before, just because you can't see it Jackie doesn't mean others can't.

The fact that they both appear to crave attention from the public also shows similarities. And of course the fact that they are able to manipulate and control others to the degree they have also shows similarities.

We do not know all the details of Jeremy Bamber's crimes yet and may never know unless he confesses and discloses details. But I do recall part of a tampon was found by AE at the crime scene. You may be surprised to learn what some of these men do with women's tampons.

As I have said from the beginning I introduced NGB to Jeremy and I believe Jeremy is innocent and not for a millisecond would I think NGB would support Jeremy if he did not truly believe he is innocent
I trust him that's all I need to know including the evidence we have

[Stephanie]

As I have said from the beginning I introduced NGB to Jeremy and I believe Jeremy is innocent and not for a millisecond would I think NGB would support Jeremy if he did not truly believe he is innocent
I trust him that's all I need to know including the evidence we have

You are referring to a long time ago, I am sure like the rest of us Ngb has had time to reflect. I am not aware he believes Bambers to be innocent, that's your spin on it.

If you were confident in your beliefs you wouldn't require the back up of anyone.

All this posts proves is that you can't bare to be wrong. There is nothing in your answer that is relevant to the post you have quoted. Just more deflection.

Like I said Jackie, go back to the basics of the case. His guilt is there for all to see.

Essex police were also involved in the SH case. They aren't corrupt like some posters would like us to believe.

[Stephanie]

I trust him that's all I need to know including the evidence we have

The only evidence you have or anyone else has points to his guilt by the bucket load. You just refuse to see it for reasons only known to you.

[David1819]

go back to the basics of the case. His guilt is there for all to see.

You have said this multiple times. On all occasions I have asked you to direct me to where this evidence can be found. To no surprise, everytime I was directed nowhere and given some excuse 

[JackiePreece]

You are referring to a long time ago, I am sure like the rest of us Ngb has had time to reflect. I am not aware he believes Bambers to be innocent, that's your spin on it.

If you were confident in your beliefs you wouldn't require the back up of anyone.

All this posts proves is that you can't bare to be wrong. There is nothing in your answer that is relevant to the post you have quoted. Just more deflection.

Like I said Jackie, go back to the basics of the case. His guilt is there for all to see.

Essex police were also involved in the SH case. They aren't corrupt like some posters would like us to believe.

You have no idea what I discuss with NGB and I do not have to justify myself to you

If anything I am more certain Jeremy is innocent than when I started to look into this case.  I have personally spoken to people who JB grew up with many people in his past
I could not give a toss what you think, your opinion is worthless to me

[Steve_uk]

You have said this multiple times. On all occasions I have asked you to direct me to where this evidence can be found. To no surprise, everytime I was directed nowhere and given some excuse 

His early knowledge of the crime and the excuse he contrived to get on the premises, his refusal to admit the slightest animosity towards his parents, his aimless existence, settling down again at the White House faute de mieux, Julie's two years spent with the character and her musings thereon, Sheila's inability to execute the murders and lack of evidence on her nightdress, the fact that all the family were gathered together under one roof, as Jeremy had contemplated committing the massacre at Christmas 1984, wishing to confront a distraught Robert Boutflour coming round for his Boxing Day sherry..