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Re: gresham school sex abuse allegation.
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2017, 03:09:PM »
I can't possibly claim that it was, but it's not impossible for the contents of the book to have been sanctioned by Jeremy. I imagine that he's been able to make use of his prestigious background/education and make it work in his favour. He's possibly become a highly successful prisoner, almost to the point of making it a profession. As long as there are those he can manipulate, does it REALLY matter to him what the general public think? I guess anything which keeps him in the public's awareness works.

why would he sanction a book that procliams hes guilt.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 03:12:PM »
I can't possibly claim that it was, but it's not impossible for the contents of the book to have been sanctioned by Jeremy. I imagine that he's been able to make use of his prestigious background/education and make it work in his favour. He's possibly become a highly successful prisoner, almost to the point of making it a profession. As long as there are those he can manipulate, does it REALLY matter to him what the general public think? I guess anything which keeps him in the public's awareness works.





So does that £40,000 drug debt of Sheila's make it a correct " allegation " if you're in agreeance with his " sexual encounter " at the school ?
Whatever works in YOUR favour ? Or doesn't.

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2017, 03:18:PM »
I notice global warming is affecting Europe and the States. ::)

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2017, 03:20:PM »
why would he sanction a book that procliams hes guilt.

Read my post, Nugs. I didn't say he did. I said it wasn't impossible, which is very different.

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2017, 03:28:PM »




So does that £40,000 drug debt of Sheila's make it a correct " allegation " if you're in agreeance with his " sexual encounter " at the school ?
Whatever works in YOUR favour ? Or doesn't.

Whoa! Hold your horses! I wasn't picking out bits to either agree or disagree with. I was generalizing. I don't need to be a genius to deduce that it ain't possible to get information out of long dead people. She apparently -and I'm only going by what's been said here- wrote things it was impossible for her to have known because A)she wasn't there and B)everyone who was there was dead. I absolutely DON'T believe that Sheila had accrued a £40,000 drug debt and I couldn't swear to any sexual encounter Jeremy MAY have had at school. All I can say is that these things do happen and I think other -older?- boys might have found him attractive. POSSIBLY it MAY have been reciprocated.

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2017, 03:31:PM »
the allegation isnt all that relvant  to his guilt or incocence so im not really sure why itt was made i asume she had a source.

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2017, 03:59:PM »
Whoa! Hold your horses! I wasn't picking out bits to either agree or disagree with. I was generalizing. I don't need to be a genius to deduce that it ain't possible to get information out of long dead people. She apparently -and I'm only going by what's been said here- wrote things it was impossible for her to have known because A)she wasn't there and B)everyone who was there was dead. I absolutely DON'T believe that Sheila had accrued a £40,000 drug debt and I couldn't swear to any sexual encounter Jeremy MAY have had at school. All I can say is that these things do happen and I think other -older?- boys might have found him attractive. POSSIBLY it MAY have been reciprocated.





Very much libellous insinuations don't you agree ? As could be said by most,or all those who've written books about this particular case.They're " only as truthful " as the ones who provided the sources,aye ? 

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2017, 04:06:PM »
i think the allegation was a bit more serious than that allegation suggests it was non consensel.

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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2017, 04:11:PM »




Very much libellous insinuations don't you agree ? As could be said by most,or all those who've written books about this particular case.They're " only as truthful " as the ones who provided the sources,aye ?

From whom might she have been fed the information that Sheila had this vast, outstanding debt......................and what did they have to lose? Sheila was dead. From where did the information come that Jeremy had had a sexual encounter whilst at Gresham's? MIGHT it have been Jeremy himself who furnished her with both pieces of information? The closer one looks, the fuzzier become the lines, Lookout.

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2017, 04:17:PM »
i think the allegation was a bit more serious than that allegation suggests it was non consensel.

If that's how you wish to see it, Nugs. If it's true that a "sexual encounter" occurred, one must look at the participants. If one was a pupil and the other a master it puts the encounter into the realms of sexual abuse which is rather different from two pubescent youths discovering what "It" was all about. HOWEVER if, as an adult, one of the similar age participants wishes to be seen as having been a victim, it puts another slant on the story.

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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2017, 04:18:PM »
i think the allegation was a bit more serious than that allegation suggests it was non consensel.





Indeed and how many more are like it ?

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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2017, 04:20:PM »
From whom might she have been fed the information that Sheila had this vast, outstanding debt......................and what did they have to lose? Sheila was dead. From where did the information come that Jeremy had had a sexual encounter whilst at Gresham's? MIGHT it have been Jeremy himself who furnished her with both pieces of information? The closer one looks, the fuzzier become the lines, Lookout.




Jane,she was,and possibly still is,a friend of the relatives. Does this answer most of your questions ?

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2017, 04:40:PM »
was it bret colins that powell listsas the orignal source of this information.

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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2017, 04:41:PM »
Apparently,a friendship developed during the period that CP visited WHF as she was writing her book.
I bet JB didn't know what was written,but they would surely have known what he'd said. A totally unfair advantage with JB not there to defend himself-----------and this is why these books had been written !

Every dog has his day so it's said-----JB's is long overdue,but he'll have his day and what a day it'll be.

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2017, 04:42:PM »



Jane,she was,and possibly still is,a friend of the relatives. Does this answer most of your questions ?

Which means what/how much, Lookout? Was she a friend PRIOR to the murders or did she approach them when she decided to write the book. She surely couldn't have been stupid enough to accept to be true, information regarding a conversation between deceased persons when THEY were the only ones present. Surely she wouldn't accept, as fact, a school sexual encounter, without checking with the person who was allegedly part of it? NO, your statement goes nowhere near to answering my questions because, as the author, the authenticating responsibility was hers and there was at least ONE person who could have confirmed or denied the allegation.
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