Sandra Leans book "No Smoke" should be re-vised or withdrawn

[nugnug]

"Lie to US"!!!!!! What gives you the right to come over as so bloody self important, Nugs? Name me one woman, defending her husband, in public, who'll admit to the likes of YOU -by that, I mean those who are attacking her- that she believes he's other than "a perfectly normal guy"? Whatever may be your view of what normal implies. Steph's public views, at that time, certainly come under my own heading of such. I'm certain Steph, NOW, will be the first to admit those views were misguided. You feel deceived? TOUGH! Live with it. Get over it.

what defending him by lieing to us all dont you think we deserve an apology.

what shes just stated means she knowingly lied.

[Jane]

what defending him by lieing to us all dont you think we deserve an apology.

what shes just stated means she knowingly lied.

Frankly, Nugs, I don't believe you 'deserve' anything. You -and others- make a choice about whether or not you join forums like this. I'm certain you'll have heard the saying "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"? It seems to me that either you've placed yourself in position as Rabble Rouser In Chief" OR you're taking this -and other threads- WAY too personally.

[guest7363]

"Lie to US"!!!!!! What gives you the right to come over as so bloody self important, Nugs? Name me one woman, defending her husband, in public, who'll admit to the likes of YOU -by that, I mean those who are attacking her- that she believes he's other than "a perfectly normal guy"? Whatever may be your view of what normal implies. Steph's public views, at that time, certainly come under my own heading of such. I'm certain Steph, NOW, will be the first to admit those views were misguided. You feel deceived? TOUGH! Live with it. Get over it.

Well said Jane, I certainly don't need an apology that's why I question us?  My wife would defend me to the hilt, (well I think she would lol)

[Stephanie]

Frankly, Nugs, I don't believe you 'deserve' anything. You -and others- make a choice about whether or not you join forums like this. I'm certain you'll have heard the saying "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"? It seems to me that either you've placed yourself in position as Rabble Rouser In Chief" OR you're taking this -and other threads- WAY too personally.

What is Rabble Rouser in Chief Jane, I've never heard of that?

[Stephanie]

That is, quite frankly, one of the most sick posts I think I've ever seen.

I had two daughters around Jodi's age at the time - why on earth would I make any effort whatsoever to help someone whom I had reason to suspect might be freed back into my own community, where my children lived, to do the same again?

No Sandra, your posts regarding Simon Hall's guilt and alluding to me being responsible for his death in custody in some why are sick.

Stop attempting to emotionally manipulate by bringing your daughters to the board Sandra, it won't wash anymore.

[nugnug]

Well said Jane, I certainly don't need an apology that's why I question us?  My wife would defend me to the hilt, (well I think she would lol)

speak for yourself im sure a lot of other people especaily people who made financail contributions.

[nugnug]

Frankly, Nugs, I don't believe you 'deserve' anything. You -and others- make a choice about whether or not you join forums like this. I'm certain you'll have heard the saying "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"? It seems to me that either you've placed yourself in position as Rabble Rouser In Chief" OR you're taking this -and other threads- WAY too personally.

im not talking about me im talking about eveybody steph lied to.

[Jane]

im not talking about me im talking about eveybody steph lied to.

What is Rabble Rouser in Chief Jane, I've never heard of that?

A rabble rouser is a person who speaks with the intention of arousing and inciting a crowd of people. Nugs appears to have nominated himself as their spokes person or Chief on every thread on which he posts.

[Stephanie]

Well said Jane, I certainly don't need an apology that's why I question us?  My wife would defend me to the hilt, (well I think she would lol)

If there had been a minuscule chance Simon Hall was innocent I would not have allowed the Inquest to proceed on the premise he was guilty. It's only those with a personal agenda who have suggested otherwise.

I had an extremely competent legal team representing me (And in turn Simon) throughout the Inquest proceedings. My solicitors firm had previously represented Simon in relation to prison law and had met with him before and after his confession. My barrister once campaigned for Barack Obama.

[Jane]

im not talking about me im talking about eveybody steph lied to.

You'd certainly like us to believe you are.

[sandra L]

No Sandra, your posts regarding Simon Hall's guilt and alluding to me being responsible for his death in custody in some why are sick.

Stop attempting to emotionally manipulate by bringing your daughters to the board Sandra, it won't wash anymore.

You're the one who thinks I'm "alluding to [you] being responsible for his death." I asked if anything else could be making him feel he was "going crazy" and "wanting to scream all the time." Another poster posted about the effects of Spice. Having spent a lot of time looking at this over the weekend, it really does seem to have a horrifying affect on people's sanity.

As for my questions about the confession, I don't see anything "sick" about asking questions rather than accepting something at face value.

[Stephanie]

"Lie to US"!!!!!! What gives you the right to come over as so bloody self important, Nugs? Name me one woman, defending her husband, in public, who'll admit to the likes of YOU -by that, I mean those who are attacking her- that she believes he's other than "a perfectly normal guy"? Whatever may be your view of what normal implies. Steph's public views, at that time, certainly come under my own heading of such. I'm certain Steph, NOW, will be the first to admit those views were misguided. You feel deceived? TOUGH! Live with it. Get over it.

Many thanks Jane. There aren't many whom have the courage of their convictions like you do.

Some people have a habit of shifting the blame, as opposed to taking responsibility for their own actions. 

[nugnug]

A rabble rouser is a person who speaks with the intention of arousing and inciting a crowd of people. Nugs appears to have nominated himself as their spokes person or Chief on every thread on which he posts.

and im proud to be somones got to be.

[Stephanie]

A rabble rouser is a person who speaks with the intention of arousing and inciting a crowd of people. Nugs appears to have nominated himself as their spokes person or Chief on every thread on which he posts.

Thanks, never heard of that expression before. 

[nugnug]

If there had been a minuscule chance Simon Hall was innocent I would not have allowed the Inquest to proceed on the premise he was guilty. It's only those with a personal agenda who have suggested otherwise.

I had an extremely competent legal team representing me (And in turn Simon) throughout the Inquest proceedings. My solicitors firm had previously represented Simon in relation to prison law and had met with him before and after his confession. And my barrister had once campaigned for Barack Obama.

you dont have any choice in that the inqust will allways be done on the prusumption is guilty for the simple fact that his a prisoner.