Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:

[Adam]

This evidence. Never mind about times of phone calls. Lets focus on the major issues.

Fact - Neville's left arm had a comminuted fracture making it impossible to use or move. So how does Neville put up this epic fight you portray with only being able to use one arm?

Fact - The mess in the Kitchen was caused by the raid team. Thus there was no mess prior to the police entry. So how did the epic fight manage to happen and not cause a mess?

It's alright. You're not going to answer the simple question. Keeping you're options open, as Bamber did when interviewed by the police.

At least Mike gave an answer, 3:25am. This is 15 minutes after Bamber's WS & only gave Sheila 23 minutes to do everything. But as Mike said, Nevill may have telephoned Bamber mid massacre.

The kitchen fight has already been covered.

[David1819]

It's alright. You're not going to answer the simple question. Keeping you're options open, as Bamber did when interviewed by the police.

The time Jeremy claimed give or take 5 minutes so anywhere between 3.05 and 3.15

The kitchen fight has already been covered.

No it has not. Answer my questions,

How does Neville put up this epic fight you portray with only being able to use one arm?

How did this epic fight manage to happen and not cause a mess?

[Adam]

The time Jeremy claimed give or take 5 minutes so anywhere between 3.05 and 3.15

No it has not. Answer my questions,

How does Neville put up this epic fight you portray with only being able to use one arm?

How did this epic fight manage to happen and not cause a mess?

Thank you for answering my question at the 3rd time of asking.

The kitchen fight  caused the mess in the kitchen. Unless you are seriously saying the professional raid team charged in and started smashing and knocking things over.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7957.0.html

Guess Nevill shouldn't have been farming if he had a bad arm. Unless he did it on the night. I would still fancy him against a recovering anorexic on medication who sufferred from Tardrive Dyskensia and  needed help gettting up off sofa's.

[David1819]

The kitchen fight  caused the mess in the kitchen. Unless you are seriously saying the professional raid team charged in and started smashing and knocking things over.

I'm not the one saying it. It's from DI Cook who was on the scene and was told exactly that. Try reading

Guess Nevill shouldn't have been farming if he had a bad arm. Unless he did it on the night.

His arm got that way via being shot. Try reading

I would still fancy him against a recovering anorexic on medication who sufferred from Tardrive Dyskensia and needed help gettting up off sofa's.

The medication causing tiredness was reduced by half in the weeks leading up to the massacre. Thus Sheila was no longer in the state you are trying to portray her in (if she ever was). She attended a party a few days before the massacre, she was seen playing with the kids in the outdoors the day before the massacre. None of your excuses for Sheila stand up to scrutiny.

[lookout]

Her lack of medication would have would have left her even more violent than before she began taking it.

[Jane]

Her lack of medication would have would have left her even more violent than before she began taking it.

But she wasn't violent prior to being medicated. If you labelled as violent every woman who threw something at her husband, OR hit him to get a reaction, you'd probably have to label as violent, the majority of women in the country.

[Stephanie]

I'm not the one saying it. It's from DI Cook who was on the scene and was told exactly that. Try reading




His arm got that way via being shot. Try reading



The medication causing tiredness was reduced by half in the weeks leading up to the massacre. Thus Sheila was no longer in the state you are trying to portray her in (if she ever was). She attended a party a few days before the massacre, she was seen playing with the kids in the outdoors the day before the massacre. None of your excuses for Sheila stand up to scrutiny.

Expert witnesses give an opinion.

You cannot possibly know what state Sheila was in you weren't there.; you are avoiding all other evidence in order to support your forensic evidence breakthrough.

Her lack of medication would have would have left her even more violent than before she began taking it.

In your lay opinion

[Adam]

I'm not the one saying it. It's from DI Cook who was on the scene and was told exactly that. Try reading




His arm got that way via being shot. Try reading



The medication causing tiredness was reduced by half in the weeks leading up to the massacre. Thus Sheila was no longer in the state you are trying to portray her in (if she ever was). She attended a party a few days before the massacre, she was seen playing with the kids in the outdoors the day before the massacre. None of your excuses for Sheila stand up to scrutiny.

It happened on the night. I doubt he would notice. He had other things on his mind. Such as someone shooting and following him to the kitchen.

[lookout]

But she wasn't violent prior to being medicated. If you labelled as violent every woman who threw something at her husband, OR hit him to get a reaction, you'd probably have to label as violent, the majority of women in the country.

Sheila's outbursts WERE violent,not necessarily towards people but at solid objects/walls,though there'd bound to be a time when she WOULD have been violent towards those she'd loved,as is the case in a lot of these type of murders.

[Jane]

Sheila's outbursts WERE violent,not necessarily towards people but at solid objects/walls,though there'd bound to be a time when she WOULD have been violent towards those she'd loved,as is the case in a lot of these type of murders.

As I say, I don't believe that the "violence" you insist Sheila had previously displayed was any more than all the other women who've got p*ssed off with husbands. You have absolutely no MORE way of assessing what she would/might possibly have done that assessing all the unknown women who've done similar.

[lookout]

Expert witnesses give an opinion.

You cannot possibly know what state Sheila was in you weren't there.; you are avoiding all other evidence in order to support your forensic evidence breakthrough.

In your lay opinion

I do happen to know that a sudden reduction of vital medication renders you to worse symptoms than before you started taking it.
What do you think happens to a patient with chronic heart disease ?

[Stephanie]

I do happen to know that a sudden reduction of vital medication renders you to worse symptoms than before you started taking it.

I disagree. This isn't always the case.

You appear to think everyone acts in the same way. Different medications have different side effects and effect people differently. You cannot possibly claim you KNOW what a sudden reduction of a vital medication will do, you can merely give examples of what you have witnessed. 

[lookout]

I disagree. This isn't always the case.

You appear to think everyone acts in the same way. Different medications have different side effects and effect people differently. You cannot possibly claim you KNOW what a sudden reduction of a vital medication will do, you can merely give examples of what you have witnessed.

But I DO know about the symptoms of medications both under-dosing and over-dosing and even the wrong type . It was my job.
I noticed you ignored the one involving the heart !

[Jane]

But I DO know about the symptoms of medications both under-dosing and over-dosing and even the wrong type . It was my job.
I noticed you ignored the one involving the heart !

I'm not certain how cardiac meds can be equated with mental illness meds. Both require to be correctly balanced though.

[Caroline]

But I DO know about the symptoms of medications both under-dosing and over-dosing and even the wrong type . It was my job.
I noticed you ignored the one involving the heart !

Who said Sheila was under diagnosed?