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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #150 on: January 08, 2017, 01:14:PM »
Event 15,* based on the time Jeremy's call to PC West terminated (3.46am), and his arrival at the scene (3.52am), it is misleading for anyone to suggest that he took his time getting getting to the farmhouse. Since, I drove a vehicle over the same route in what turns out to be a comparable time duration...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #151 on: January 08, 2017, 01:15:PM »
Event 16,* by the operator confirmed the phone at whf was off its hook, Jeremy was already talking to Bews, Myall, and Saxby at the scene...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2017, 01:15:PM »
Event 17,* until this stage, nobody had told the police which types of weapon were normally kept at the farmhouse? Neville had told police during his 3.26am call, 'my daughter has got one of my guns'.Less than a minute earlier, (3.25am) Neville had told Jeremy, 'Sheila has got the gun. Jeremy himself had told PC West, (3.36am) his father told him ,' Sheila has got the gun, or 'She has got the gun...



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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #153 on: January 08, 2017, 01:16:PM »
Event 18,* in order to prosecute Jeremy for the five murders, Bews had to say it was 'a trick of light', otherwise with someone still alive inside the main bedroom, how could Jeremy already have shot and killed everyone by that stage? Strange coincidence that the .22 rifle was subsequently photographed at the main bedroom window (23), prior to it being photographed in possession of Sheila's body on the bedroom floor (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33)...

How then could anyone suggest that Jeremy had staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor in possession of the said rifle?

How was it possible?
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #154 on: January 08, 2017, 01:16:PM »
Event 19,* it took 46 minutes for the occupants of CA05 to reach the scene after being deployed...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #155 on: January 09, 2017, 07:33:PM »


Mike can I ask you why you have edited my post without my knowledge?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8066.msg381729.html#msg381729

I've gone back to look for an old post I made and in so doing found the above.




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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #156 on: January 09, 2017, 07:57:PM »

Mike can I ask you why you have edited my post without my knowledge? I have not altered your post, your words and phrases remain unaltered. I have simply added my comments in blue, and at the bottom of the post it is stated that I edited it. This may have been done because I pressed the button, modify, instead of quote. Tell you what, don't bother asking me, or inviting me to comment on anything you have to say from now on...

Good luck!!!


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8066.msg381729.html#msg381729

I've gone back to look for an old post I made and in so doing found the above.
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #157 on: January 09, 2017, 08:08:PM »
The sequence of events (Now known) (19 Events in 'sequential of order')...

Event 1

Around 3.15am - CA07 (Bews, Myall and Saxby) leave Witham police station to deal with a separate incident


Event 2

10 minutes

Prior to 3.25am - Nevill attempts to call Witham police Station but gets 'no response'...

Event 3

under a minute

Around 3.25am - Neville alerts Jeremy with brief telephone call


Event 4

1 minute?

3.26am - Neville contacts Chelmsford police station, as per the 3.26am (C1) Communications Log. He leaves phone off hook (indefinitely)...


Event 5

under a minute

Around 3.26am, - Jeremy attempts to call Nevill back but gets an engaged tone
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Event 6

1 minute?

Around 3.27am?
, - Jeremy attempts to call Neville back but gets an engaged tone

Event 7

2 minutes

Around 3.29am - Jeremy attempts to contact Witham police station but gets no response


Event 8

1 minute

3.30am - Jeremy calls Julie, 'there's something wrong at home, she tells him to 'go back to bed'

Event 9

5 minutes

3.35am - Occupants CA07 (Bews, Myall, Saxby) deployed to scene

Event 10

1 minute?

3.36am - Occupants CA05 deployed to scene

Event 11

under a minute?

3.36am - Jeremy calls Chelmsford police station and speaks to PC West, who then places him on hold for 5 minutes

Event 12

5 minutes

3.41am - 'PC West' contacts female operator regarding telephone at white house farm

Event 13

5 minutes

3.46am - Jeremy is sent to scene by PC West, and told he will be met there by police who have already been deployed to the incident

Event 14

2 minutes

3.48am - arrival of CA07 at the scene. Information recorded on Bonnets (C1) Communications log

Event 15

4 minutes

3.52am - arrival of Jeremy at scene

Event 16

4 minutes

3.56am - Operator confirms phone at farmhouse has been left off hook. Information recorded on Bonnets (CA) Communication log


Event 17

2 minutes

Around 3.58am - Jeremy tells Bews, Myall and Saxby, about types of firearm which are kept inside the farmhouse. This information is relayed to CD and recorded on Bonnets (C1) Communication log

Event 18

4 minutes

4.02am - Bews, Myall and Jeremy, enter grounds of farmhouse, and see figure at main bedroom window

Event 19

20 minutes

4.22am - Occupants of CA05 arrive at scene. Information is recorded on Bonnets (C1) Communication log

This is an accurate account of the sequenced events. Other people are misrepresenting the true facts mischievously. In the main, the people responsible for doing this come from the guilty camp who favour the dishonest prosecution of Jeremy Bamber for these murders. Murders he did not commit. Murders he couldn't have committed even if he had wanted to. Murders he didn't commit even if he had planned to kill his family some day. The Criminal Justice System is corrupt, they have rules of evidence that bent cops and bent CPS Officials ignore. They fabricate the contents of witness statements, etc, or whatever it is they feel they must do...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #158 on: January 09, 2017, 08:31:PM »
I have not altered your post, your words and phrases remain unaltered. I have simply added my comments in blue, and at the bottom of the post it is stated that I edited it. This may have been done because I pressed the button, modify, instead of quote. Tell you what, don't bother asking me, or inviting me to comment on anything you have to say from now on...

Good luck!!!

I appreciate your reply Mike and accept you hit modify instead of quote.

Good luck to you also!
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #159 on: January 09, 2017, 08:54:PM »
There is no way that Jeremy Bamber called Julie Mugford at San, it's a ridiculous suggestion with no credible merit!!!
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #160 on: January 09, 2017, 08:56:PM »
This is an accurate account of the sequenced events. Other people are misrepresenting the true facts mischievously. In the main, the people responsible for doing this come from the guilty camp who favour the dishonest prosecution of Jeremy Bamber for these murders. Murders he did not commit. Murders he couldn't have committed even if he had wanted to. Murders he didn't commit even if he had planned to kill his family some day. The Criminal Justice System is corrupt, they have rules of evidence that bent cops and bent CPS Officials ignore. They fabricate the contents of witness statements, etc, or whatever it is they feel they must do...
How can it be mischievously when Bamber said it was 3.10am, when Bamber said he next phoned Julie, then immediately phoned Chelmsford, he then says it took him 10mins to look the number up. 

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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #161 on: January 09, 2017, 09:01:PM »
There is no way that Jeremy Bamber called Julie Mugford at San, it's a ridiculous suggestion with no credible merit!!!

It's good that we both agree Bamber phoned Julie before the police.

The CT are being rigid saying Bamber phoned Julie after the police as that is what his WS says. Bamber didn't know himself who he called first in 1985.

Why do you think Bamber testified that he did not phone Witham ?
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #162 on: January 09, 2017, 09:03:PM »
How can it be mischievously when Bamber said it was 3.10am, when Bamber said he next phoned Julie, then immediately phoned Chelmsford, he then says it took him 10mins to look the number up.

I guess we have to accept Jeremy's timings as being accurate.

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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #163 on: January 09, 2017, 09:16:PM »
How can it be mischievously when Bamber said it was 3.10am, when Bamber said he next phoned Julie, then immediately phoned Chelmsford, he then says it took him 10mins to look the number up.

3.10am is simply his recollection. Plus this was a time when people all had clocks with times set manually. Contrary to today when everything is synced to the internet.  :-\

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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #164 on: January 09, 2017, 09:17:PM »
BREAKING NEWS

It appears that Poppy Ann Miller has closed the twitter account which was dedicated to supporting Jeremy. Allegedly she received a "to be signed for" communication from him after which she closed the account. Perhaps she's done all she can for him?
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