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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #135 on: January 08, 2017, 12:20:PM »
The sequence of events (Now known) (19 Events in 'sequential of order')...

Event 1

Around 3.15am - CA07 (Bews, Myall and Saxby) leave Witham police station to deal with a separate incident


Event 2

10 minutes

Prior to 3.25am - Nevill attempts to call Witham police Station but gets 'no response'...

Event 3

under a minute

Around 3.25am - Neville alerts Jeremy with brief telephone call


Event 4

1 minute?

3.26am - Neville contacts Chelmsford police station, as per the 3.26am (C1) Communications Log. He leaves phone off hook (indefinitely)...


Event 5

under a minute

Around 3.26am, - Jeremy attempts to call Nevill back but gets an engaged tone
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Event 6

1 minute?

Around 3.27am?
, - Jeremy attempts to call Neville back but gets an engaged tone

Event 7

2 minutes

Around 3.29am - Jeremy attempts to contact Witham police station but gets no response


Event 8

1 minute

3.30am - Jeremy calls Julie, 'there's something wrong at home, she tells him to 'go back to bed'

Event 9

5 minutes

3.35am - Occupants CA07 (Bews, Myall, Saxby) deployed to scene

Event 10

1 minute?

3.36am - Occupants CA05 deployed to scene

Event 11

under a minute?

3.36am - Jeremy calls Chelmsford police station and speaks to PC West, who then places him on hold for 5 minutes

Event 12

5 minutes

3.41am - 'PC West' contacts female operator regarding telephone at white house farm

Event 13

5 minutes

3.46am - Jeremy is sent to scene by PC West, and told he will be met there by police who have already been deployed to the incident

Event 14

2 minutes

3.48am - arrival of CA07 at the scene. Information recorded on Bonnets (C1) Communications log

Event 15

4 minutes

3.52am - arrival of Jeremy at scene

Event 16

4 minutes

3.56am - Operator confirms phone at farmhouse has been left off hook. Information recorded on Bonnets (CA) Communication log


Event 17

2 minutes

Around 3.58am - Jeremy tells Bews, Myall and Saxby, about types of firearm which are kept inside the farmhouse. This information is relayed to CD and recorded on Bonnets (C1) Communication log

Event 18

4 minutes

4.02am - Bews, Myall and Jeremy, enter grounds of farmhouse, and see figure at main bedroom window

Event 19

20 minutes

4.22am - Occupants of CA05 arrive at scene. Information is recorded on Bonnets (C1) Communication log
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #136 on: January 08, 2017, 01:04:PM »
Event 1,* almost certainly occurred, just a case of trying to pinpoint the exact time, possibly obtainable by reference to witness statements, and pocketbook entries...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #137 on: January 08, 2017, 01:08:PM »
Event 2,* is likely to have occurred if Sheila had got possession of one of Neville's gun, and had gone berserk. Neville was Chairman of the Witham Magistrates bench, so would have had close ties with the Witham police station and it's officers...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #138 on: January 08, 2017, 01:08:PM »
Event 3,* If Neville made the call to Jeremy, stating what he said, this proves Jeremy was not the shooter at the scene...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:21:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #139 on: January 08, 2017, 01:09:PM »
Event 4,* if Neville made this call to Chelmsford police station, as per the contents of the (C1) Communications log, it confirms what Jeremy stated was told to him by Neville...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:24:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #140 on: January 08, 2017, 01:10:PM »
Event 5,* anyone trying to ring the farmhouse whilst Neville was dealing with the police at this stage, would get an engaged tone. ..
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:27:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #141 on: January 08, 2017, 01:10:PM »
Event 6,* anyone trying to ring the farmhouse whilst Neville was dealing with the police at this stage, would get an engaged tone. ..
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:28:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #142 on: January 08, 2017, 01:10:PM »
Event 7,* after finding himself in state, Jeremy tried to contact Witham Police station, knowing that his father was Chairman of the Witham bench, and that if there was any trouble of any sort, involving Neville or his family that local police at Witham should be notified. The fact that Jeremy go no response, is backed up by it being confirmed that at that stage, Witham police station was unmanned...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:33:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #143 on: January 08, 2017, 01:11:PM »
Event 8,* ;

Being concerned and frustrated by the earlier abrupt call from Neville, and his failure to raise him again, and as a result of being unsuccessful in trying to contact the local police at Witham, Jeremy decides to call Julie, 'there's something wrong at home, and in response she tells him, 'go back to been...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:37:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #144 on: January 08, 2017, 01:11:PM »
Event 9,* having returned to Witham police station, Bews, Myall and Saxby, are instructed to attend the scene at the farmhouse, acting on information passed to police by Neville at 3.26am (C1) Communication log refers...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:42:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #145 on: January 08, 2017, 01:12:PM »
Event 10,* Occupants of CA05 are instructed to attend the incident at whf, acting on information passed by Neville at 3.26am, as per the (C1) Communication log refers...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #146 on: January 08, 2017, 01:13:PM »
Event 11,* after spending several minutes finding the telephone number to Chelmsford police, Jeremy finally managed to speak to PC West, who is busy with another matter, and places Jeremy on hold, whilst West speaks to Bonnet, before referring back to Jeremy. PC West then takes particulars from him...
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 01:50:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #147 on: January 08, 2017, 01:13:PM »
Event 12,* 'PC West' obtains telephone number of whf from Jeremy, and asks a female operator to check the phone...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #148 on: January 08, 2017, 01:14:PM »
Event 13,* When Jeremy was sent to the scene by PC West and told that he would be met by police officers, West did not mention the names of police officers that would meet him. Maybe this was because the police who had already been deployed had been sent to the scene on the back of Neville's earlier call (3.26am)...
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Re: Reasons why Bamber's second call to Julie was at 3am:
« Reply #149 on: January 08, 2017, 01:14:PM »
Event 14,* according to a police document, (Major Incident Register), the very first entry 001 refers to the sighting of an 'unidentified Male' at the scene (*3.45am), which falls prior to Jeremy's arrival there (3.52am). Kim Sengupta wrote an article, where mention was made, of 'a scruffy looking, hunched up man, seen walking away from the farmhouse - this scruffy looking hunched up man, could not be a reference to Jeremy. So, who was he, and what business did he have at the farm?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 02:06:PM by mike tesko »
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