2002 Appeal: Determining the time of Bamber's second call to Julie:

[Steve_uk]

What statement?

He didn't say that exactly:

In the early hours of the morning, I have since found out from a friend of mine, Susan Battersby who was with me then, it was about 3:15am, I was woken up by another house mate Douglas Dale who told me that Jeremy was on the telephone. I got out of bed and went to the phone on the landing and said hello. I felt very dozy and I suppose I was only half awake. He said everything is going well, not to worry there is something wrong at the farm.
I told him sleepily to go back to bed and he said bye honey I love you lots. I then put the phone down. I particularly remember the phrase ‘everything is going well’ I then got into bed and laid there for a few minutes when I suddenly came to my senses and realised what he had said.

[Steve_uk]

And if he did say "everything is going well" as Julie "particularly remembers" then it's Game Over for Bamber, whatever documents remain hidden in the Essex Constabulary archives.

[Steve_uk]

"Everything is going well"

In other words, he is pleased that he has killed his parents and put slugs into the heads of two 6-year-old twin boys.

[Reader]

In the early hours of the morning, . . .

What statement is this from?

[Steve_uk]

What statement is this from?

Page 12 here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1647

[Adam]

Mugford said in a sworn statement that Jeremy 'didn't know what to do'.

He had been told what to do. By the police.

[Reader]

Page 12 . . .

Where on page 12 does she state that Jeremy 'didn't know what to do'?

[lebaleb]

Where on page 12 does she state that Jeremy 'didn't know what to do'?

Second page of her 8th August statement.

[Caroline]

Where on page 12 does she state that Jeremy 'didn't know what to do'?

[Stephanie]

I agree Steve.  In the end this is the thing.  Supporters and guilters can argue forever over individual points both sides can be convincing at times but some details are indisputable and to me your quote is one of them.  I might add it doesn't show Julie to be squeaky clean either. It is points like these which cause me to return to the  belief he is guilty.

But when under the spell of a man like Bamber, these women (And men) will do almost anything. Like campaign for their innocence, as I once did.

Personally I do not see any argument put forward by those supporting Jeremy as convincing. But then that may because of my own experiences. It's down to our own perceptions I guess Maggie.

What I accept is Julie has been subjected to decades of abuse because of her involvement with Jeremy Bamber, as indeed have others, and this abuse has been rationalised by many in order to support there agendas. There has been much suggestion of her complicity into the murders which leaves me questioning why these suggestions are made in the first place.

Many people are unaware of the consequences of abusive partners in romantic relationships nor of the strategies employed by these abusers. Julie Mugford's witness statements clearly also demonstrates Bamber's strategies of entrapment and control and thankfully the police recognised this when she finally came forward. They are to be congratulated for this aspect of their investigations, not condemned imo.

She was not a scorned women as some have suggested she was a victim of psychological torture. There is a vast difference between the two.

And because of what she had been subjected to by Bamber it is understandable why she made the odd one or two mistakes whilst giving live evidence.

[Adam]

The above statement from Julie says she did not hear from Bamber after the 3rd August 1985.

He then suddenly rang her 3 days later/6th August at 9.50pm.

Maybe he was 'bursting' to tell her something.

[Jane]

" Criminal versatility ?" His parents despaired of him when they used to try and prize him out of a chair when he lived at home. He was so lazy.

Which hardly indicates an enthusiasm for farming, does it?

[lookout]

Which hardly indicates an enthusiasm for farming, does it?

Or anything else ? Such as hurtling up and down stairs killing people.

[Jane]

Or anything else ? Such as hurtling up and down stairs killing people.

The first involved hard work. The second, involving a few minute's work, meant never having to work again.

[guest7363]

Which hardly indicates an enthusiasm for farming, does it?

Which could all be part of the motive like I said Jane?