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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #135 on: January 02, 2017, 04:47:PM »
Financially and emotionally

I believe there is a new series coming up regarding moj cases

What do you mean by emotionally? How has SH confession affected other prisoners emotionally?
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #136 on: January 02, 2017, 04:49:PM »

I believe there is a new series coming up regarding moj cases

And? What's your point? It won't free Bamber.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #137 on: January 02, 2017, 05:32:PM »
Roch, two years ago Jeremy told me he had almost ALL of the PII documents and pictures but every week we hear more and more about none disclosure or thugs still hidden. I could say anything existed but that the police were hiding it, it doesn't mean it's true and you can't disclose what you don't have.

Then why say that these documents are referred to in other recently found docs and go to the trouble of writing to the Justice secretary asking for them.

surely if we see everything including all docs relating to when it was classed as suicide murder we would have a uh better understanding of what really happened and the sequence of events etc

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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #138 on: January 02, 2017, 05:36:PM »
Then why say that these documents are referred to in other recently found docs and go to the trouble of writing to the Justice secretary asking for them.

surely if we see everything including all docs relating to when it was classed as suicide murder we would have a uh better understanding of what really happened and the sequence of events etc




That's my argument too.

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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #139 on: January 02, 2017, 05:48:PM »
Then why say that these documents are referred to in other recently found docs and go to the trouble of writing to the Justice secretary asking for them.

surely if we see everything including all docs relating to when it was classed as suicide murder we would have a uh better understanding of what really happened and the sequence of events etc

Jeremy Bamber is on a fishing expedition, no more no less. He is merely attempting to fill up his time, in the process conning lots of people. The campaign team will get no where as they have proved they do not have a basic grasp of the facts of the case.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #140 on: January 02, 2017, 06:11:PM »
I thought Ewen Smith didn't join the CCRC till 2006?  Didn't Bamber sack him a lot earlier?  How come you say he was headhunted just as he was working on the Bamber case?  You would have thought if Ewan thought Bamber innocent he would push for a referral.

Did Bamber sack Simon McKay or vice versa?  None of his ex lawyers seem to get involved with him after they have worked for him, Simon doesn't seem to tweet about him now?  I thought they allowed extra time for Bamber to put something together when Simon was acting for him?

Ewen Smith applied to join the CCRC in 2004, this was at a time when he went out of his way to speak to the police surgeon, Dr 'Craig and found out that Sheila was on the bed at 8.44am in the main bedroom and that by that stage, Sheila had only been shot once. Ewen also had a meeting with one of the SOCO's involved in the investigation with a Christian name 'David' who confirmed to him the existence of the second silencer, which David said had been kept by 'Taff' Jones on his desk in his office at Witham police station for a long time, and was being used as a paperweight by 'Taff'Jones, until PC Which came along and took possession of it, and after attaching it to the barrel of the gun, how PC Whiddon had arranged for the said silencer to be forwarded to the lab to be examined. Seems involvement with Jeremy's case ended when Giovani De Stefano stepped forward to take on the mantle as Jeremy's legal representative. I doubt think Jeremy appreciated a lot of the work Seen did on his behalf behind the scenes, and the fact that I was getting access to material to do with his case, and information which Jeremy felt he had no control over. In point of fact, this came to a head when Ewen managed to get hold of all the previously undisclosed crime scene photographs contained in what turned out to be 'THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM' purporting to contain all 581 photographs.Prior to this arrangement which Ewen had with the CCRC over access to this unseen photographic evidence the defence had only been given access to the 223 photographs contained in what was named 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM'...

It was whilst I was visiting Ewens Birmingham office in 2004, that I managed to 'borrow the photograph' showing Sheila's body on the bed, minus the rifle, with a solitary bullet wound in her throat. I thought I was doing Jeremy a massive favour by taking the said photograph and posting it into him at HMP Full Sutton, under the guise of 'Rule 37a' terms, but it ended up causing an error one amount of trouble for Jeremy, and myself. It also had the effect of hampering Jeremy's communication with Giovani, who had started to act as Jeremy's legal representative unbeknown to me by that stage. The photograph of Sheila on the bed minus the rifle and with only one bullet wound to her throat really does exist. She was laid on top of the bed towards the left hand side as viewed from the foot of the bed. There was no triangular bloodstained on the right hand shoulder side of her light blue nightdress, and by that stage there wasn't the bloodied fingermarks on the front lower side of the nightdress, the hem of which had been raised up to the top of her thighs. You could see that she wasn't wearing any underwear. The photographer who had taken the picture had been stood at the foot of the bed, and was obviously taken before the second shot had been inflicted which effectively ended her life on this earth. I believe that 'DC Oakey' (SOCO) took this photograph of Sheila on the bed, and another one showing the barrel of the rifle resting against the left hand side of Sheila's neck after she had sustained the second shot. Essex police have sought to extract DC Oakey from being present at the scene on that first morning, because of his association with the photograph or photographs he took of Sheila on the bed...

The photograph I borrowed, was posted to Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton. I spoke to Jeremy on the phone about the said photograph on the evening I acquired it. I told him I had already posted it to him along with an explanation of how I had come by it, and what it depicted. Quite naturally Jeremy was excited to hear about the discovery of the said photograph. A couple of days later I received a telephone call from Jeremy in the middle of the afternoon. I usually only got calls from him during the evening's. He was angry that I had posted the photograph into him under the 'Rule 37a' arrangement, and told me that prison security had intercepted it, and confiscated it. He was not allowed to see it's contents, and he was banned from using that privilege thereafter..
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #141 on: January 02, 2017, 06:26:PM »
Then why say that these documents are referred to in other recently found docs and go to the trouble of writing to the Justice secretary asking for them.

surely if we see everything including all docs relating to when it was classed as suicide murder we would have a uh better understanding of what really happened and the sequence of events etc

I didn't say they didn't believe this stuff existed - that doesn't mean it does.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #142 on: January 04, 2017, 08:42:PM »
The timeline the CT have produced has Bamber calling the police at 3.36am and then Julie at 3.38am. Talk about a quick 2 minute conversation with the police.

This could only be because the police had ready received a call from Nevill so knew all the details.  But then they would have told Bamber this on the phone & just told him to meet him at WHF.

In that case I am surprised Bamber never brought up Nevill's call for 25 years.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #143 on: January 04, 2017, 08:46:PM »
When Bamber testified he said his call to Chelmsford police lasted 5 minutes.

I suspect it was longer. Wasn't he put on hold for a long time ?
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #144 on: January 04, 2017, 08:49:PM »
When Bamber testified he said his call to Chelmsford police lasted 5 minutes.

And it took him 10 minutes to find the number 
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2017, 08:52:PM »
The Campaign Team time line ignores the witness statements of Julie and her 4 flatmates.

Nothing wrong with ignoring a few witness statements now and again. Especially if they don't support you're version of events.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2017, 08:55:PM »
The Campaign Team time line ignores the witness statements of Julie and her 4 flatmates.

Nothing wrong with ignoring a few witness statements now and again. Especially if they don't support you're version.

And especially if you are wanting to be taken seriously and meet with the justice secretary.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #147 on: January 05, 2017, 06:23:PM »
The timeline the CT have produced has Bamber calling the police at 3.36am and then Julie at 3.38am. Talk about a quick 2 minute conversation with the police. Jeremy's call to Julie took place at 3.30am, with his two calls to the police either side, namely his unanswered call to Witham police station, and his answered call to Chelmsford police station. The 3.38am claim doesn't fit the known sequence of events, and general periods over which calls lasted, or took place...

This could only be because the police had ready received a call from Nevill so knew all the details. yes, they already had sufficient information from Neville's 3.26am call by 3.36am when Jeremy called, to deploy the occupants of CA07 and CA05 to the scene at 3.35am, and 3.36am, without taking any information at all from Jeremy in his distress call at 3.36am until five minutes later (3.41am) by which time the occupants of CA07 and CA05 were already 6 and 5 minutes into their journey to the incident. Therefore, we now know that somebody other than Jeremy had provided police with details of a serious disturbance taking place at whf by 3.26am, something which Jeremy Bamber had no opportunity to input into until at the very earliest 3.41am - Now, there's food for thought!!!  But then they would have told Bamber this on the phone not before 3.41am, though, eh...& just told him to meet him at WHF. Well, in a round about way, that's what happenned, isn't it?

In that case I am surprised Bamber never brought up Nevill's call for 25 years. that's easy to explain, the prosecution conned everyone, including Bamber and those representing him, that if Sheila had got the possession of one of Neville's guns, that Neville hadn't phoned the police. They withheld the two records of both the 3.26am, and the 3.36am calls, behind the lie introduced by West / Bonnet who sought to merge both timed calls as reference to only one call. It's therefore not surprising that Jeremy took no action for over 25 years, he could have done with doing something about it during his trial, but how could he if he did not know anything at all about it?
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #148 on: January 06, 2017, 02:36:PM »
The official site have got the sequence wrong, the rifle was definitely photographed resting at the bedroom window in photograph number 23, prior to the same rifle being photographed with Sheila's body as in photograph numbers, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, and here is the documentary evidence proving it:-

Mike I'm not sure how to interpret the chart you have shown, as I cannot see which photos come after the Sheila Caffell photos. 

However the photo which shows all the stuff at the window (including the rifle), in my opinion comes after the photos of Sheila with the rifle.  The impression I get is that the police have stripped bedding and moved items from one end of the room to the window end of the room.  Surely, it makes sense for this to have occurred after Sheila was photographed? The alternative would be that there was stuff piled up near the window which was then removed prior to Sheila being photographed?  This seems less plausible.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #149 on: January 07, 2017, 01:49:AM »
You've done a good job with this timeline Roch. It was a long time coming. Those clips are difficult to access unless you register an account and even then it's got to be affiliated to some educational purpose.
What clips are you referring to? The timeline is in an article by author Ben Johnson (BenW_Johnson on twitter), but he doesn't state where he got all the details from, and some are inaccurate.