80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)

[Stephanie]

He could have opened up knowing what he knew about JM's past antics in which the prosecution would have been ill-prepared.

I don't follow?

[Stephanie]

You are joking

I am talking about the moment JB 'said' I should have been an actor

She has lied and lied on numerous occasions

You would make a good actor Jackie.

[JackiePreece]

So what were/are the affects on other prisoners?

List them

I don't have to list them you are fully aware that often prisoners need financial help from supporter

Did you ever ask anyone to donate money for SH?

[lookout]

I don't follow?

If EP hadn't asked JM if there was anything in her background that they should know about ( before making her a witness for the prosecution ) and say for instance that JM hadn't told them,then in court they'd have looked a bit sick if JB had rattled off what JM had done.

[Stephanie]

I don't have to list them you are fully aware that often prisoners need financial help from supporter

Did you ever ask anyone to donate money for SH?

Generally speaking I foolishly supported SH financially single handedly. I did ask for donations. One time before he confessed and then after he died.

I spoke to all of those who donated following his confession, accept one.

No one donated to his funeral. I paid for it myself and with help from the prison.

I would advise anyone supporting someone in prison to learn of the genuine needs of a prisoner.  I learned that all the money I sent SH he squandered and hadn't needed.

[Stephanie]

I don't have to list them you are fully aware that often prisoners need financial help from supporter

Did you ever ask anyone to donate money for SH?

Now forget the obsession with money, how did SH's confession affect other prisoners?

[guest7363]

But you haven't cleaned up have you even though you are on here 24/7

Where's a plausible explanation for special branch destroying evidence

Why would an intelligent girl like Julie Mugford not go to the police immediately after the murders

How extraordinary how Ewen smith get head hunted by the CCRC just as he was working on the JB case

Why did the CCRC decide to close down the application from JB just as Simon McKay a high profile solicitor had been instructed

Why have the defence never been allowed to see witness statements from when the case was a suicide and not a murder

What exactly have you closed down and exactly how many people on this forum believe you have closed anything down

I thought Ewen Smith didn't join the CCRC till 2006?  Didn't Bamber sack him a lot earlier?  How come you say he was headhunted just as he was working on the Bamber case?  You would have thought if Ewan thought Bamber innocent he would push for a referral.

Did Bamber sack Simon McKay or vice versa?  None of his ex lawyers seem to get involved with him after they have worked for him, Simon doesn't seem to tweet about him now?  I thought they allowed extra time for Bamber to put something together when Simon was acting for him?

[Stephanie]

If EP hadn't asked JM if there was anything in her background that they should know about ( before making her a witness for the prosecution ) and say for instance that JM hadn't told them,then in court they'd have looked a bit sick if JB had rattled off what JM had done.

I'm still not with you lookout?

[lookout]

I'm still not with you lookout?

As a witness for the prosecution ( JM ) what if she hadn't admitted anything about her past ? How would it have then looked in court if JB started rattling off what she'd been up to,without anyone knowing.
JM being the main one who EP were relying on.

[Stephanie]

As a witness for the prosecution ( JM ) what if she hadn't admitted anything about her past ? How would it have then looked in court if JB started rattling off what she'd been up to,without anyone knowing.
JM being the main one who EP were relying on.

But she wasn't accused of murder and it's unlikely Bamber would have thrown her under the bus; he needed to save his own skin.

[lookout]

But she wasn't accused of murder.

I know,but if nobody had known about her background,her case would have floundered somewhat if JB had " told tales " in court,on the stand, about what she'd been up to.

[JackiePreece]

Generally speaking I foolishly supported SH financially single handedly. I did ask for donations. One time before he confessed and then after he died.

I spoke to all of those who donated following his confession, accept one.

No one donated to his funeral. I paid for it myself and with help from the prison.

I would advise anyone supporting someone in prison to learn of the genuine needs of a prisoner.  I learned that all the money I sent SH he squandered and hadn't needed.

When it was highly publicised SH confessed it must have had an impart on the general public who were or thinking of supporting MOJ case financially

[JackiePreece]

I thought Ewen Smith didn't join the CCRC till 2006?  Didn't Bamber sack him a lot earlier?  How come you say he was headhunted just as he was working on the Bamber case?  You would have thought if Ewan thought Bamber innocent he would push for a referral.

Did Bamber sack Simon McKay or vice versa?  None of his ex lawyers seem to get involved with him after they have worked for him, Simon doesn't seem to tweet about him now?  I thought they allowed extra time for Bamber to put something together when Simon was acting for him?

Ewen left JB in the lurch when he stopped working on the JB case

I do not believe ES changed his stance. But if there has been a cover up this could make sense headhunting ES stopping progress in the case



I believe it was a mutual decision regarding Simon.  It is a fact SM had problems working with the OCT

The closing date for submissions was given very suddenly just after Simon McKay was instructing meaning vital gun testing could not be completed

I doubt SM would continue to tweet about the case after harrassment from the MOJ site

[JackiePreece]

Why financially? Is that how you view MOJ's?

What about all the other factors or have you yet to get past the money aspect?

From experience, the public in general aren't that interested in alleged MOJ's and they certainly don't knowingly finance such cases very often.

Financially and emotionally

I believe there is a new series coming up regarding moj cases

[Stephanie]

I am not obsessed with money but you were asking for monetary donations for SH when you did not know if he was innocent

I wrongly believed he was innocent, ergo others were responsible. I have already explained re donations.

Since my experience I do not believe prisoners wages should be enhanced by outside donations. Prisoners should learn to be self sufficient.