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Offline David1819

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Re: Giovani's Spy Ring Murder plot - a new lead...
« Reply #90 on: April 19, 2017, 09:21:PM »
For my own reasons i am 100% sure that David Boutflour set Jeremy up with the silencer.
I am equally certain at least one other relative did it with him.
I am fairly sure more than 2 of the relatives knew about or were involved in setting Jeremy up.

What you are saying ties in with that exactly ...

Do you have a source for them taking blood stained underwear with them at the same time they took the silencer ? Was it in a statement ?

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Offline Caroline

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« Reply #91 on: April 19, 2017, 09:22:PM »
I assume you are referring to the hunched man ?

I will be posting independant documentation about this soon
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Giovani has zero credibility ...
It does not however mean that everything he mentioned is a complete lie ...
In fact the hunched man story was put out by Essex Police in a bid to trace him ...
Giovani merely repeated this fact that had been overlooked by many ...

I won't hold my breath. You have had ample time to post this 'proof'.
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« Reply #92 on: April 19, 2017, 09:36:PM »
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The clothes were in soak. So impossible to put Sheila's blood into the silencer. That's if it was Sheila's blood on the clothes anyway.
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Re: Giovani's Spy Ring Murder plot - a new lead...
« Reply #93 on: April 19, 2017, 09:39:PM »
For my own reasons i am 100% sure that David Boutflour set Jeremy up with the silencer.
I am equally certain at least one other relative did it with him.
I am fairly sure more than 2 of the relatives knew about or were involved in setting Jeremy up.

What you are saying ties in with that exactly ...

Do you have a source for them taking blood stained underwear with them at the same time they took the silencer ? Was it in a statement ?

The underwear was put in the bin and it wasn't stained by them as it had been washed out. How much blood do you imagine there would be having bee soaking for several days by then?  ::)
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Re: Giovani's Spy Ring Murder plot - a new lead...
« Reply #94 on: April 19, 2017, 09:43:PM »
The underwear was put in the bin and it wasn't stained by them as it had been washed out. How much blood do you imagine there would be having bee soaking for several days by then?  ::)

From Tuesday to Saturday no less!!!!!! So how would it have been possible to get heavily watered down blood into a silencer?

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« Reply #95 on: April 19, 2017, 09:48:PM »
From Tuesday to Saturday no less!!!!!! So how would it have been possible to get heavily watered down blood into a silencer?

Dip it?  ;D
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« Reply #96 on: April 20, 2017, 12:51:AM »
From Tuesday to Saturday no less!!!!!! So how would it have been possible to get heavily watered down blood into a silencer?

Blood only gets watered down if mixed with water when its fresh. Are you saying Sheila stood over the bucket and just waited for the lining of her uterus to fall in?  ???

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« Reply #97 on: April 20, 2017, 08:38:AM »
Blood only gets watered down if mixed with water when its fresh. Are you saying Sheila stood over the bucket and just waited for the lining of her uterus to fall in?  ???

I'd hazard a guess, that changing my mind from innocent to guilty, has in no way changed the fact that I probably have way more experience, than yourself, of soaking bloodied items, however, you post HAS made me ponder, again, on how long ALL the items had been in soak. I think it's safe to assume that the boys' clothes -their trousers- were placed in soak when they took them of prior to bed/bath time? Perfectly possible that the undies could have been put into soak at the same time. Aha! But there were TWO pairs, I hear you cry. Yes, you're right, there were. Absolutely no reason why, because Sheila was going to be away from the house that afternoon, that she hadn't worn two pairs to afford extra protection or "just in case". Every little helps, you know!
 We're told very little about the soaking water -but this is where my long experience of soaking comes to the fore- I never soaked in JUST cold water. I ran the item under running water, to wash away residue, before placing it in cold water to which I'd added detergent. This had the added effect of lifting the stain and breaking down the meniscus. We've been told all manner of stories about how heavy had been her menstrual flow, both you and Mike alluding to something heavy enough to constitute a miscarriage  -even though it was confirmed at autopsy that she'd been in the early stages of menstruation- HAD this been the case, I imagine that ALL her clothes, from the waist down, would have needed to be be soaked. She'd been wearing, what were once called, Capri pants, which are close fitting. There doesn't seen to have been any such item in soak. Only the boys' trousers in a separate pail.
I have NO idea if detergent had been added to the water, but as supporters are always very keen to say that just because something isn't said to the contrary, it doesn't mean it isn't so OR didn't happen, I'm going to assume it COULD have been. Going along those lines, I'd defy ANYONE to extricate blood, from either pail or knickers, to place in a silencer to frame Jeremy.

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Re: Giovani's Spy Ring Murder plot - a new lead...
« Reply #98 on: April 20, 2017, 10:31:AM »
I'd hazard a guess, that changing my mind from innocent to guilty, has in no way changed the fact that I probably have way more experience, than yourself, of soaking bloodied items, however, you post HAS made me ponder, again, on how long ALL the items had been in soak. I think it's safe to assume that the boys' clothes -their trousers- were placed in soak when they took them of prior to bed/bath time? Perfectly possible that the undies could have been put into soak at the same time. Aha! But there were TWO pairs, I hear you cry. Yes, you're right, there were. Absolutely no reason why, because Sheila was going to be away from the house that afternoon, that she hadn't worn two pairs to afford extra protection or "just in case". Every little helps, you know!
 We're told very little about the soaking water -but this is where my long experience of soaking comes to the fore- I never soaked in JUST cold water. I ran the item under running water, to wash away residue, before placing it in cold water to which I'd added detergent. This had the added effect of lifting the stain and breaking down the meniscus. We've been told all manner of stories about how heavy had been her menstrual flow, both you and Mike alluding to something heavy enough to constitute a miscarriage  -even though it was confirmed at autopsy that she'd been in the early stages of menstruation- HAD this been the case, I imagine that ALL her clothes, from the waist down, would have needed to be be soaked. She'd been wearing, what were once called, Capri pants, which are close fitting. There doesn't seen to have been any such item in soak. Only the boys' trousers in a separate pail.
I have NO idea if detergent had been added to the water, but as supporters are always very keen to say that just because something isn't said to the contrary, it doesn't mean it isn't so OR didn't happen, I'm going to assume it COULD have been. Going along those lines, I'd defy ANYONE to extricate blood, from either pail or knickers, to place in a silencer to frame Jeremy.

This conversation from yesterday and today has reminded me an occurrence that took place between me and an ex girlfriend back in my teens. I wish the memory had not come back nevertheless its only made me even more sure of such a possibility.  :P