Bamber 'wanting to hear a friendly voice'. At 3am.

[Adam]

Over a year after the massacre Bamber finally said why he phoned Julie at 3am - 'he wanted to hear a friendly voice'.

This backs up Bamber calling Julie after the police. Which after a lot of confusion from Bamber in police interviews he finally said he had done. As he didn't call Julie for advice. 

It also backs up what Julie said Bamber said to her after he called her. Which was simply giving her information, rather than asking for advice. Julie not surprisingly saying 'go back to bed'.

Why he had just said 'no comment' to the police when asked why he called Julie has never been explained. There is no mention of this call on the OS, which is disappointing.

Similar to Sheila's erratic behaviour, supporters have justified this call by saying people will make illogical decisions when in a stressful situation. This cut no ice with the 2002 appeal judges who found no justification for the call. 


There are several reasons why Bamber would not call Julie 'to hear a friendly voice' in his situation -

Bamber had already heard a friendly voice. The police.

Bamber would hear more friendly voices when he met the police on site.

It was 3am. Julies phone may not be answered at all.

It was 3am. Julies phone may not be answered for a long time.

It was 3am. The phone may be answered by one of Julies flat mates. Who will not be able to wake Julie.

It was 3am. The phone may be answered by one of Julies flat mates. Who may not bother trying to wake Julie.

It was 3am. The phone may be answered by one of Julies flat mates. Julie may refuse to go to the phone. If told Bamber was on the phone.

It was 3am. Julie would not be a friendly voice after being woken.

It was 3am. Julie would be half asleep and would not speak much.

It was wasting more time, after Nevill had said 'please come over'. Bamber had already wasted over 20 minutes since receiving Nevill's call.

Hearing 'a friendly voice' was not assisting Nevill who had rang Bamber and said 'please come over'.

Ringing Julie was not assisting the police who wanted to meet Bamber staight away at WHF.

Julie may have got stressed after Bamber told her of Nevill's call. Which would have just stressed Bamber more.

There was a very slim chance Julie would be 'a friendly voice' at 3am. However she was in Lewisham and could not assist Bamber further by going to WHF. Unlike other nearby friends, relatives or farm workers.

It has never been advised by the police or anyone else to ring another person to 'hear a friendly voice' after being informed of a dangerous situation regarding guns.

[Adam]

Do other people agree with the 2002 appeal judges.  Or believe that 'wanting to hear a friendly voice' negates the above 15 disadvantages ?

Guilters believe Bamber was in control of the situation.  Ringing Julie to give her an update she was not expecting, and literally wanting to 'hear a friendly voice' after he had killed his 5 closest relatives'.

Supporters may agree with the 2002 appeal judges & my 15 reasons. But claim Bamber was in a panic and behaved irrationally. It's just bad luck that this irrational action once again badly incriminated him.

[Stephanie]

Do other people agree with the 2002 appeal judges.  Or believe that 'wanting to hear a friendly voice' negates the above 15 disadvantages ?

Guilters believe Bamber was in control of the situation.  Ringing Julie to give her an update she was not expecting, and literally wanting to 'hear a friendly voice' after he had killed his 5 closest relatives'.

Supporters may still claim Bamber was in a panic and behaved irrationally. It's just bad luck that this this irrational action once again incriminated him.

This is interesting Adam. I recall well when SH made his confession, not dissimilar to when Bamber phoned JM I suppose. I once questioned why he chose to confess to me, as opposed to prison staff or someone else. Why didn't he confess to his mother for example? Or the police? He had seen the police only weeks before regarding another matter. Why didn't he confess to them?

Of course I believe I know why he chose to confess to me and not some one else. But have those people who think Bamber is innocent questioned why he confided in JM? And for those people who think JM to have lied; how did she lie about so much? Surely this would make her possibly disturbed/disordered? Which if this were the case surely she would not have been allowed to work with children.

I've often wondered if Jeremy Bamber said more to JM than was recorded in her statement? When SH confessed, his disclosures went on for some days/weeks after, and much of what he said wasn't about his crime of murder it was more to do with how he physically felt when he spoke about it.

It is from my own experiences that I do not doubt JM. And whilst I don't agree with some of her actions  following the murders; it's quite possible she has regretted such actions.

[lookout]

It comes as a massive blow when you've put your trust in someone and that someone then betrays that trust. JB had been genuinely concerned at what was going on at WHF and the closest person was,at that time,JM.
 Then,because of the strong influence of others to a young woman, was,or had appeared much stronger an " army " against one man she went where there had been strength in numbers and turned against the man that she had loved and deep down still did. The turning point in the relationship was when JB was seeing others and because of this,the wrath and revenge to hurt JB came into play and sadly went further than she'd anticipated though at the same time knowing that she was up to her neck in it and there was no turning back.

JM's voice must have seemed, and was the friendly voice on the other end of the phone and if he'd hadn't had JM,it would have been someone else,so yes,I believe him in that respect,that he'd wanted to share his feelings and emotions with someone who'd meant something to him. Anyone would have.
What better than hearing a familiar voice  at the most inopportune moment that it was at such an early hour ?  I just feel sad that nobody understands or understood JB and dare I say JM too,as both were very young and would never have thought about having to confront what they did. 

[Stephanie]

It comes as a massive blow when you've put your trust in someone and that someone then betrays that trust. Yes, it does Lookout! JB had been genuinely concerned at what was going on at WHF and the closest person was,at that time,JM. As it appears I was to SH. Why did both men turn to us, as opposed the police? Did they fear the police? Were their actions all about power and control?
 Then,because of the strong influence of others to a young woman, was,or had appeared much stronger an " army " against one man Utter nonsense Lookout! There was no army or influence by others! she went where there had been strength in numbers and turned against the man that she had loved and deep down still did. This is what Jeremy Bamber wants you to believe; just as SH did when he redacted his confession - events that unfolded following are self evident! The turning point in the relationship was when JB was seeing others and because of this,the wrath and revenge to hurt JB came into play No it didn't, this again was all part of Jeremy Bambers plan. JM was a victim, caught up by circumstance. and sadly went further than she'd anticipated though at the same time knowing that she was up to her neck in it and there was no turning back. What do you mean by it went further than she anticipated? That Bamber murdered his family? If JM, or any one else for that matter had believed at the time Sheila was a threat to any of her family members, one of the family/friends would have stepped in. Jeremy Bamber wants his supporters to believe JM was the dangerous one/the threat - just as those people around SH at the time wanted people to believe of me

JM's voice must have seemed, and was the friendly voice on the other end of the phone So friendly, he can't remember what was said during the calls he made! and if he'd hadn't had JM,it would have been someone else The police pointed out to him during interview there were other people - Brett Collins, the blokes from the frog pub ,so yes,I believe him in that respect,that he'd wanted to share his feelings and emotions with someone who'd meant something to him. Anyone would have.
What better than hearing a familiar voice  at the most inopportune moment that it was at such an early hour ?  I just feel sad that nobody understands or understood JB We do understand but you think we have ulterior motives for understanding and dare I say JM too,as both were very young and would never have thought about having to confront what they did.

[lookout]

Whatever 

[Caroline]

Whatever 

He could have heard the friendly voice of the 999 operator - he chose to call Julie instead, who couldn't have helped even if she wanted to.

[Stephanie]

He could have heard the friendly voice of the 999 operator - he chose to call Julie instead, who couldn't have helped even if she wanted to.

Indeed Caroline. It's nothing whatsoever to do with hearing a friendly voice and it's all to do with the need to feel in control, to control the situation, to excerpt control over their victims.

SH telephoned me at the end of Sept 2013 and during said telephone call he came out with all sorts. It was one of the most bizarre calls. It would probably help if I posted parts of the email I sent him following the disclosures he made. During the telephone call he told me he would 'eventually' end his life. At the end of the call he said he was off to his prison cell to masturbate. Although this is not the version of events noted down in prison records. Funny that.

Anyway, Jeremy Bamber made similar disclosures to JM, as SH once did with me. The difficulty for JM was always going to be how she explained all of JB's disclosures in order to be believed. Jeremy Bamber made sure of it. Just as SH did with me.

The prison service did not believe me when I told them SH had said he would eventually end his life. Further, the people I contacted over some of SH's disclosures did not believe he had said these things.

Instead what happens is the victims are re-victimised. And the mistakes they make attempting to do right are twisted in such a way to make it appear the victims are the aggressors.

Again, I made mistakes. However I was of the belief the prison were monitoring all telephone calls made by SH. Not only did SH tell me he thought all his calls were being monitored, one would have expected the prison service to have monitored ALL communications following such a high profile case and subsequent confession.

Incidentally the call to which I refer above (Sept 2013) was reported by myself directly to the prison at the time.

It's my opinion Jeremy Bamber had planned to telephone JM as part of his alibi. His recent letter to Trudi refers to the window and this being his alibi. As the years have passed by as have his stories, he has forgotten the main crux of his case and the statements and interviews he gave at the time, and in so doing has slipped up too many times to count.

 

[lookout]

He could have heard the friendly voice of the 999 operator - he chose to call Julie instead, who couldn't have helped even if she wanted to.

For all we know he could have been looking to her for an answer to what to do.He'd appeared to somewhat rely on her because she was the stronger person of the two,having been more streetwise than he,etc. JB had had an entirely different background to JM as regards " dysfunction " and the like with her parents having parted company for whatever reason which possibly made JM grow up quicker than she normally would have as it does affect girls in this way.
Because his life had been sheltered in comparison before he moved house,I don't doubt that everything was done for him,as even when he moved,it was JM who was doing the decorating and tidying up,so he had relied on her even then.   

[lookout]

I tend to look at things in an entirely different light before jumping to any sort of conclusions.

[Stephanie]

For all we know he could have been looking to her for an answer to what to do.He'd appeared to somewhat rely on her because she was the stronger person of the two,having been more streetwise than he,etc. JB had had an entirely different background to JM as regards " dysfunction " and the like with her parents having parted company for whatever reason which possibly made JM grow up quicker than she normally would have as it does affect girls in this way.
Because his life had been sheltered in comparison before he moved house,I don't doubt that everything was done for him,as even when he moved,it was JM who was doing the decorating and tidying up,so he had relied on her even then.

He wasn't a child Lookout. He was a grown man of 24 years of age. The way you speak of him is as though he has made you view JM as the dominant one in the relationship. Again a classic tactic of a highly disordered individual.

Jeremy Bamber idealised JM whilst she was of use to him. He hadn't finished with her, even when sent to prison on remand - as can be seen by his return to sender letter received by the prosecution. He did however eventually discard her when he realised she was no longer willing to play ball and would not coverering anymore of his misdeeds. He attempted to pull on her heart strings but those strings had been broken.

Steve posted yesterday with regards Sue Ford.

Re: ** Warning ** Beware of Jeremy Bamber!!
« Reply #50 on: Yesterday at 08:24 PM »
Quote from: Stephanie on Yesterday at 08:15 PM
And can you explain how Bamber did not idealise, devalue and discard Sue Ford; because I don't agree with you.
I'm very willing to put you straight on the matter. Sue Ford might have started out as any young man's fantasy: a pretty blonde with a great figure who looked his way and seemed to be available for sex. That's how it started out. But Jeremy matured through his relationship with her and began to realize that there was more to sex and women than a good roll in the sack-he met her two children, bought them presents and built Lego with them. If you can't understand how devastated he was that June would never have welcomed her into the family and the double loss of the miscarriages of his children, then the blow when she told him she was reuniting with her husband then you will never understand the tragedy which was White House Farm.

Steve is wrong with regards his observations (Above). It's clear Jeremy Bamber also idealised Sue Ford at one time, devalued her over time, reeled her back in whilst she was still under his spell and discarded her when he had no more use for her. The evidence is all there. I'm surprised Steve of all people missed it?

Believe it or not Lookout, both 'girls' and 'boys' are affected by any dysfunction in a family environment. Dysfunction does not favour one sex over the other. This is a myth.

And he hardly led a sheltered life. Maybe you need to re-think that after reading back on some of his activities back then. He clearly had his fingers in many pies so to speak, I've said this before.

If you genuinely believe Jeremy Bamber to be innocent you need to look at JM without bias. You need to present you argument for innocence without needing to dismiss Jeremy Bamber's negative traits. No one is perfect Lookout.

[lookout]

Can I just point something out here.The " delayed action " of my posts is because I'm in and out at my next-door neighbours for one of them has dementia and the other had a bad fall and I'm usually called mid-post. Just returned back while they have their afternoon nap.

[Stephanie]

Can I just point something out here.The " delayed action " of my posts is because I'm in and out at my next-door neighbours

No need to explain Lookout; reply if and when you can.

[Jane]

It comes as a massive blow when you've put your trust in someone and that someone then betrays that trust. JB had been genuinely concerned at what was going on at WHF and the closest person was,at that time,JM.
 Then,because of the strong influence of others to a young woman, was,or had appeared much stronger an " army " against one man she went where there had been strength in numbers and turned against the man that she had loved and deep down still did. The turning point in the relationship was when JB was seeing others and because of this,the wrath and revenge to hurt JB came into play and sadly went further than she'd anticipated though at the same time knowing that she was up to her neck in it and there was no turning back.

JM's voice must have seemed, and was the friendly voice on the other end of the phone and if he'd hadn't had JM,it would have been someone else,so yes,I believe him in that respect,that he'd wanted to share his feelings and emotions with someone who'd meant something to him. Anyone would have.
What better than hearing a familiar voice  at the most inopportune moment that it was at such an early hour ?  I just feel sad that nobody understands or understood JB and dare I say JM too,as both were very young and would never have thought about having to confront what they did.

I'm not certain how being "genuinely concerned" equates with diddling around, looking up numbers in the telephone directory, phoning local police stations at silly o' clock, as opposed to calling 999 immediately.

[Stephanie]

For all we know he could have been looking to her for an answer to what to do.He'd appeared to somewhat rely on her because she was the stronger person of the two,having been more streetwise than he,etc.

Yep and SH had some of us believe the same about him. Until the Zenith burglary discovery. I argued publicly he wasn't streetwise. Of course he was streetwise! As was Jeremy Bamber. You only need look at his reasons he gave to the police for breaking into the caravan park.