** Warning ** Beware of Jeremy Bamber!!

[Stephanie]

It's blatantly obvious that you keep comparing SH with JB.

These are your projections Lookout.

[lookout]

These are your projections Lookout.

Far from it------they're yours.You don't know you're doing it,obviously.

[Stephanie]

Far from it------they're yours.You don't know you're doing it,obviously.

It's like a kindergarten here sometimes 

[lookout]

It's like a kindergarten here sometimes 

 It's your abrupt attitude towards those of us who DARE to even think JB's innocent. Why that attitude ? There's no need for it at all and I certainly don't need it even if you do !

[Stephanie]

 It's your abrupt attitude towards those of us who DARE to even think JB's innocent. Why that attitude ? There's no need for it at all and I certainly don't need it even if you do !

LOL You are truly something else Lookout!

[lookout]

LOL You are truly something else Lookout!

Me ? S'truth,I give up.

[Steve_uk]

It's like a kindergarten here sometimes 

Stephanie I can't quite make you out. I rarely comment here on people's personalities but I do perceive in your persona an inability to make any accommodation with other posters and an all too willing inclination to sow discord at the earliest opportunity, which I put down to the aftershock of your husband's suicide, leaving you in a state of bereavement and denial, which I can all too readily empathize with.  However this  expedient may have become an obsession with you, and it might be in your own best interests to stop mentioning Simon Hall in your posts, before you unwittingly drive other members to the sherry bottle or indeed something stronger..

[Caroline]

Stephanie I can't quite make you out. I rarely comment here on people's personalities but I do perceive in your persona an inability to make any accommodation with other posters and an all too- willing inclination to sow discord at the earliest opportunity, which I put down to the aftershock of your husband's suicide, leaving you in a state of bereavement and denial, which I can all to readily empathize with.  However this  expedient may have become an obsession with you, and it might be in your own best interests to stop mentioning Simon Hall in your posts, before you unwittingly drive other members to the sherry bottle or indeed something stronger..

Sorry Steve, I have to disagree, there is a lot of venom spat on this forum when anyone dares to discuss Bamber being guilty and even though the initial points being made may relate only to Bamber, it gets personal very quickly. People seem to take it as a personal slant. I haven't seen Steph start with a personal insult and far from being in denial, she has been open and frank. Due to the fact that she has been involved PERSONALLY in an high profile MOJ that turned out to be nothing of the sort, I think her input and experience are crucial to the debate.

[guest7363]

Sorry Steve, I have to disagree, there is a lot of venom spat on this forum when anyone dares to discuss Bamber being guilty and even though the initial points being made may relate only to Bamber, it gets personal very quickly. People seem to take it as a personal slant. I haven't seen Steph start with a personal insult and far from being in denial, she has been open and frank. Due to the fact that she has been involved PERSONALLY in an high profile MOJ that turned out to be nothing of the sort, I think her input and experience are crucial to the debate.

Great post Caroline, Steph's input has been amazing and has first hand knowledge.

[notsure]

Stephanie I can't quite make you out. I rarely comment here on people's personalities but I do perceive in your persona an inability to make any accommodation with other posters and an all too willing inclination to sow discord at the earliest opportunity, which I put down to the aftershock of your husband's suicide, leaving you in a state of bereavement and denial, which I can all too readily empathize with.  However this  expedient may have become an obsession with you, and it might be in your own best interests to stop mentioning Simon Hall in your posts, before you unwittingly drive other members to the sherry bottle or indeed something stronger..

great post steve, a voice of reason and care. Well said.

[Steve_uk]

Sorry Steve, I have to disagree, there is a lot of venom spat on this forum when anyone dares to discuss Bamber being guilty and even though the initial points being made may relate only to Bamber, it gets personal very quickly. People seem to take it as a personal slant. I haven't seen Steph start with a personal insult and far from being in denial, she has been open and frank. Due to the fact that she has been involved PERSONALLY in an high profile MOJ that turned out to be nothing of the sort, I think her input and experience are crucial to the debate.

Well she does make some good points, but as other members have asserted Jeremy Bamber is not Simon Hall. I only commented because this site was denigrated as a kindergarten: it is not, and even if it were at times then let it be so. I can see the behaviour of mentioning Simon Hall repetitively and the numerous links cited (one per post would be enough the make the point) because I was in the same position two years ago after the death of my mother. I had to learn that even some of her closest friends and family members were sick of my constant references to her and wanted to move on after being satisfied that "she had had a good innings".

This site is still heavily weighted in favour of guilt, even though Mike, Lookout, David and Roch continue to be erudite in their own ways. I said I can't make Stephanie out because I wish she would tell us once and for all what her attitude towards Simon Hall is and then leave it be.

[Caroline]

Well she does make some good points, but as other members have asserted Jeremy Bamber is not Simon Hall. I only commented because this site was denigrated as a kindergarten: it is not, and even if it were at times then let it be so. I can see the behaviour of mentioning Simon Hall repetitively and the numerous links cited (one per post would be enough the make the point) because I was in the same position two years ago after the death of my mother. I had to learn that even some of her closest friends and family members were sick of my constant references to her and wanted to move on after being satisfied that "she had had a good innings".

This site is still heavily weighted in favour of guilt, even though Mike, Lookout, David and Roch continue to be erudite in their own ways. I said I can't make Stephanie out because I wish she would tell us once and for all what her attitude towards Simon Hall is and then leave it be.

She talks about SH because like Bamber, he had quite a following of people who believed in his innocence, he attracted alot of media attention and through others, had acces to the internet and was able to capaign in the same way. He fooled a lot of people for quite some time and Steph was one of them. She is pinting out similarities that she has spotted between not only the two cases but the two individuals. It is up to others if they wish to read her posts or ignore them. Because people take ANY negative slant on JB personally, they end up arguing with her - personally, I think she hit a raw nerve with some!

[lookout]

Stephanie I can't quite make you out. I rarely comment here on people's personalities but I do perceive in your persona an inability to make any accommodation with other posters and an all too willing inclination to sow discord at the earliest opportunity, which I put down to the aftershock of your husband's suicide, leaving you in a state of bereavement and denial, which I can all too readily empathize with.  However this  expedient may have become an obsession with you, and it might be in your own best interests to stop mentioning Simon Hall in your posts, before you unwittingly drive other members to the sherry bottle or indeed something stronger..

Steve,I have to agree with your post which was very eloquently put. I know you've always " walked away " from any unpleasantness rather than outwardly remark upon it.
 You're a completely different kettle of fish when it comes to your views on the guilty stance,so why can't everyone be like yourself instead of being ready to jump down one's throat.
 

[Steve_uk]

She talks about SH because like Bamber, he had quite a following of people who believed in his innocence, he attracted alot of media attention and through others, had acces to the internet and was able to capaign in the same way. He fooled a lot of people for quite some time and Steph was one of them. She is pinting out similarities that she has spotted between not only the two cases but the two individuals. It is up to others if they wish to read her posts or ignore them. Because people take ANY negative slant on JB personally, they end up arguing with her - personally, I think she hit a raw nerve with some!

Well not all of us have studied psychology at university Caroline and find many of her posts tough meat to digest. In one of the recent posts it was mentioned Simon Hall was adopted-how about some parallels with Bamber there instead of an obsession with the idealize, devalue and discard jargon, which certainly did not apply to Bamber and Sue Ford. Stephanie has created her own thread on Simon Hall anyway and her comments should be confined to that thread.

[Caroline]

Well not all of us have studied psychology at university Caroline and find many of her posts tough meat to digest. In one of the recent posts it was mentioned Simon Hall was adopted-how about some parallels with Bamber there instead of an obsession with the idealize, devalue and discard jargon, which certainly did not apply to Bamber and Sue Ford. Stephanie has created her own thread on Simon Hall anyway and her comments should be confined to that thread.

Steph hasn't studied psychology at university either. I don't agree, I think her comments and comparisons are relevant because that is her expericence. It's not something she has read or watched on TV, she lived it.