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So that also blows Eric Allison's 'blueprint' theory wide open https://prisonwatchuk.com/2015/11/26/guardians-eric-allison-miscarriages-of-justice/

Jeremy Bamber states:

"Something which I have been thinking about a lot recently is the fact that while I was held on remand I was able to read through much of the very limited 'disclosed' documentation on my case. If you’re charged with a crime you’ll need to read the charge sheet and indictment, your own statement or transcripts of interviews for signing, all statements against you and forensic reports both for and against your innocence. This material might be quite extensive and require many hours of reading. Forensic and legal documents often contain technical language, which can be difficult to follow without specialist knowledge or a dictionary. I was fortunate enough to be able to do this but for many people charged with criminal offences it’s not an option because they cannot read and write.

Speaking of Eric Allison, here is why he believes Bamber to be innocent:


"But, evidence apart, there is another, even more compelling, reason for my belief in Jeremy's innocence; a reason which would make me a believer, without the evidence referred to earlier. Since I first contacted Jeremy, by letter, we have corresponded on a regular basis and I have received many dozens of letters from him. I also had the pleasure of speaking to him on the phone for a short while. Through those letters and phone calls, I feel I have got to know him well and, quite simply, find it impossible to believe he could have committed the awful crimes which led to him spending over a quarter of a century behind bars.

Like Jeremy. I have spent a large slice of my life in prison and I have come across many people who have committed heinous offences. Almost without exception, it was possible to see, in their characters, the propensity to carry out the acts for which they were convicted. The ability to judge one's fellow travellers is an important survival tool in prison and I have learned to trust my judgement. I repeat, there is nothing in Jeremy's character to even hint of his capability to slaughter his family.
http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/eric-allison

And how many people; including 'experts' in their field, believed SH to be innocent and not capable of slaughtering a 79 year old lady?
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He is saying that while on remand he was fortunate enough to be able to read the material of the case brought against him.  I was fortunate enough to be able to do this but for many people charged with criminal offences it’s not an option because they cannot read and write.

He then goes on about the problems of facing charges if you cannot read or write.
The bigger issue of course is that some people go through police interviews facing often very serious charges, and end up tried and convicted without really knowing the many factors of how this came about.


He then goes onto say that prisoners who cannot read or write wont be able to understand the evidence against them, and as a result some will think its worth while protesting innocence.
Many of the accused won't understand the nature of the evidence against them and will not make confessions, where as if they had been able to read they might have done.


The whole blog post is about the importance of being able to read.

And shows, in Bambers own words, that he was able to formulate a defence strategy prior to his trial.

What this blog also solidifies for me is that Bamber knows there is no evidence being held by the police which will prove his innocence. This is just another tactic of Bambers to keep his campaign going and yet another opportunity to pull the wool over his supporters eyes.

Bamber has stated he read through all of the disclosed evidence prior to his trial, therefore it was during this time when he had the option available to him, and his defence team, to request further disclosure that may have assisted him.

Although I do not have copies of what was disclosed to Bamber, I have a good working knowledge of the documents gathered in a police murder investigation and of the 'template' the police use in relation to their investigations.

This wasn't the first time Bamber had been in trouble with the police so he had the added advantage of having knowledge of the criminal justice system.

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I bet there are very few 24 year olds who've never had a run-in with the police.
That was a pretty lame excuse about JB " having been in trouble with the police ". It would seem that half the work of the police had already been done then---------------so let's blame him for the murders too seeing that he's already on their blacklist. 

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Having read Jeremy Bamber's recent blog about his memories of time on remand...

Steph, this reminded me of Doctor Psylus...  He claimed to be on remand with JB and seemed pretty supportive.  Pity he only posted once.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,274.msg2340.html#msg2340

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I bet there are very few 24 year olds who've never had a run-in with the police.
That was a pretty lame excuse about JB " having been in trouble with the police ". It would seem that half the work of the police had already been done then---------------so let's blame him for the murders too seeing that he's already on their blacklist.

There are numerous 24 year olds who have never been in trouble with the police.

I didn't use the fact that Bamber had been in trouble with the police in the past as a 'lame excuse' but to show he had prior experience with the criminal justice system.

Lookout what did the police have to gain by admitting they had made a mistake in believing Sheila was responsible?

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Steph, this reminded me of Doctor Psylus...  He claimed to be on remand with JB and seemed pretty supportive.  Pity he only posted once.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,274.msg2340.html#msg2340

I'm surprised JB didn't remember his prawn sandwich from Harrods, as Doctor Psylus recalls. How could he forget getting a prawn sandwich from Harrods? I wonder who went to London to buy said sandwich and traveled all the way to Norwich prison to delivery it to JB?  ;D
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I'm surprised JB didn't remember his prawn sandwich from Harrods, as Doctor Psylus recalls. How could he forget getting a prawn sandwich from Harrods? I wonder who went to London to buy said sandwich and traveled all the way to Norwich prison to delivery it to JB?  ;D

The bloke sounded like quite a character  ;D   I might see if he has a website or FB page...

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There are numerous 24 year olds who have never been in trouble with the police.

I didn't use the fact that Bamber had been in trouble with the police in the past as a 'lame excuse' but to show he had prior experience with the criminal justice system.

Lookout what did the police have to gain by admitting they had made a mistake in believing Sheila was responsible?




But I'm sure JB hadn't bargained for what had happened,nor did he ever realise that he'd also get the blame either so I'd have said that he knew nothing at all about the criminal justice system in this particular respect. It's only while he's been inside that he's been able to study about the workings of the system-----------such as it is.

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The bloke sounded like quite a character  ;D   I might see if he has a website or FB page...

He said he had several websites didn't he; Seemed quite interested in football too?  ;D Wonder if he's gone on the straight and narrow or if he's back behind bars?
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But I'm sure JB hadn't bargained for what had happened,nor did he ever realise that he'd also get the blame either so I'd have said that he knew nothing at all about the criminal justice system in this particular respect. It's only while he's been inside that he's been able to study about the workings of the system-----------such as it is.

I know you believe JB to be innocent Lookout and it seems to me you will defend him to the hilt regardless of what is presented to you. But I firmly believe he is guilty. Following my experiences with SH, I may be able to see things in Bamber that you don't?

For example, I think he is exploiting your kind nature. But I imagine you will say no one would be able to exploit you?

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Speaking of Eric Allison, here is why he believes Bamber to be innocent:


"But, evidence apart, there is another, even more compelling, reason for my belief in Jeremy's innocence; a reason which would make me a believer, without the evidence referred to earlier. Since I first contacted Jeremy, by letter, we have corresponded on a regular basis and I have received many dozens of letters from him. I also had the pleasure of speaking to him on the phone for a short while. Through those letters and phone calls, I feel I have got to know him well and, quite simply, find it impossible to believe he could have committed the awful crimes which led to him spending over a quarter of a century behind bars.

Like Jeremy. I have spent a large slice of my life in prison and I have come across many people who have committed heinous offences. Almost without exception, it was possible to see, in their characters, the propensity to carry out the acts for which they were convicted. The ability to judge one's fellow travellers is an important survival tool in prison and I have learned to trust my judgement. I repeat, there is nothing in Jeremy's character to even hint of his capability to slaughter his family.
http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/eric-allison

And how many people; including 'experts' in their field, believed SH to be innocent and not capable of slaughtering a 79 year old lady?

I'd like to know what Eric Allison thinks about the Bamber case now. It's been quite some time since he wrote what he did about Bamber and a lot has gone on since that time. I wonder if he now has doubts?
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Hi Notsure,

You cannot possibly compare me to Jeremy Bamber, I'm not a murderer, convicted or otherwise!

Furthermore I'm not aware of Michael Naughton supporting Jeremy Bamber's innocence, unless you know otherwise?

This isn't personal Notsure, though I sense from your point of view it is?

I've merely posted my opinion with regards my interpretation of the latest blog.

Blimey Stephanie I wasn't comparing you to a murderer, I'm sorry if you were offended.

I was posting my take on your post I suppose. We all see things differently, it's not personal at all.

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Blimey Stephanie I wasn't comparing you to a murderer, I'm sorry if you were offended.

I was posting my take on your post I suppose. We all see things differently, it's not personal at all.

I'm not offended at all but you did appear more focused on what I had written, as you have sort of alluded to, as opposed to the blog written by Bamber.

I did digress in my post but I'm not blogging about 'time on remand.'

It has been suggested that the point of Bambers blog was about 'reading?' I do not understand why he has blogged what he has, other than to attempt to fool people into believing he has empathy - as pointed out by Mendoza.

I agree Stephanie, it seems he is trying to make himself look empathetic by concerning himself with other's problems. I remember when he wrote about being a "peer partner" and helping prisoners to read and write, he took pains to emphasise that he was able to do this because he showed empathy. IMO this was an attempt to persuade those who care that he was not a psychopath, because as we all know, psychopaths do not have empathy. Remember the psychiatrist called by the defence at trial who concluded that "if ever there was a psychopath, it is Jeremy Bamber".

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I started taking notice of Simon Hall's negative behaviours in early November 2012, when I learned he had lied about his movements on the night of the murder and omitted to tell the police he had burgled Zenith windows. But with hindsight, he had displayed numerous other negative behaviours which I had wrongly discounted because of my belief in his innocence... I wrongly believed his plausible excuses and justifications... Until they were no longer believable..

I remember saying to 2 people I was in contact with at the time - "If he has lied about this, what else has he lied about? What if he is guilty?"

We now know he was guilty but he had been able to fool many people (For well over a decade) that he was a victim of a MOJ.....


What I don't understand in relation to Jeremy Bamber is why his supporters aren't questioning his behaviours?

What are Jeremy Bambers flaws?

Why don't his supporters explore this factor?

What does Jeremy Bamber say about his deceased relatives; if anything?

Does he always talk about himself?

Does he play on peoples emotions?

Does Jeremy Bamber seek pity from others?

Does he always play the victim?
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I'm not offended at all but you did appear more focused on what I had written, as you have sort of alluded to, as opposed to the blog written by Bamber.

I did digress in my post but I'm not blogging about 'time on remand.'

It has been suggested that the point of Bambers blog was about 'reading?' I do not understand why he has blogged what he has, other than to attempt to fool people into believing he has empathy - as pointed out by Mendoza.

well I read it and agree with David, it was about the people he has spent the last 30 years with who can't read or write.

I don't buy it about jeremy trying to fool people. I don't believe someone e that has not been proven to have a mental disorder can try an fool people for 30 years and not get sick to the back teeth of it. No one can keep up a pretence for that long.